A Self-Suffiecient Woman

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

tl:dnr – Can a female produce value for herself and others at the same time and, if so, how?

So here’s a thing I’ve been thinking about lately. During a conversation with a female a while back I said something about bettering myself so that I can “be the best man I can be” and she called me on my use of the word “man”. “Don’t you mean ‘be the best person you can be’?”

I explained to her that I said man because I know what it means to be a good man but I have no idea what it means to be a good woman. I explained that I can’t speak for what women think they should be, all I could speak to would be what I should be and would like to see in a woman.

So I wonder… from a female point of view, what would an idealized woman be? Here, for reference, is my personal definition of what makes a good man… “A good man uses the power of force to create value for himself and for others.” I happen to believe that force, in the form of creative destruction, is a uniquely masculine power… it can be wielded by females but only a man may wield it effectively. So, for me, an idealized man is making his way in the world by identifying opportunities to extract resources, craft goods and services from them and fairly trade the valuables he has created for those which he needs to survive. Cheating people, mooching off others and underselling or giving away his value to someone who has not earned it would be, by definition, bad.

Now, I happen to believe that the counterpart to the masculine power of force is persuasion. Although men may wield it, I believe it is uniquely a feminine power. By persuasion I do not mean diplomacy, this is the process by which fair outcomes are negotiated between value producers. Persuasion, by contrast, is getting people to do things you want them to do where they are going to come out with a net negative value.

If this is the case, what possible set of behaviors could define a “good woman”? Is it possible for a woman to use persuasion to create an outcome that benefits both the woman and the other party? Can a woman make an independent living using persuasion? Is it even reasonable to set the criteria that a woman be independent at all?

Or perhaps you have a different idea of what would make a “good woman” or if, indeed, such a thing can even exist at all. Note that I don’t mean “good for me”… I mean good in that she produces value for herself and for others at the same time. Can a female do this and, if so, how?

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22584]

Due women in society being spoiled, and having laws and society that continue to encourage and spoil them, women in this society lack the mental disciple to be self-sufficient.

Can a woman be self-sufficient? Yes. But, such a woman would be required to have the mental disciple to handle a hard days work, and not just paper pushing. Along with the know how to be self-sufficient.

[AFTParticipant 2726]

I see a very big problem in your methodology, why would anyone have

Stargazer wrote:

a conversation with a female

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Apart from that, this is a very good topic of discussion, my 2 cents: there is NO UNICORN,

Women are incapable of being good, so my approach is try to figure out the societal system that makes dealing with women worthwhile.

Basically, a rule of law that upholds masculine values of honor, trust, integrity, and entitlements based on contribution. Then you can deal with women on a level playing field, where their opportunistic, selfish natures including Hypergamy can be kept in check.

So what is a good woman? An obedient, respectful, useful encouraging and motivating addition to a mans life: AKA the mythological Unicorn.

When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

AFT wrote:

I see a very big problem in your methodology, why would anyone have

LOL, you make an excellent point here.

[Anonymous 26]

Doc I cannot think of anything positive to say about what the definition of what “a good woman” is without jumping to their defense, and why should I right?

While I was reading your post I was trying to think of whether there has ever been a female general in any army…… zip, nothing, can’t think of one. Women cannot lead in an efficient way or effective way. Women who have climbed the corporate ladder have done so stabbing others in the back, sucking a lot of c~~~ and taking a lot spewing IMHO!

“A good woman”………… an oxymoron if I’ve ever heard one!

A good lay… yeah I’ve had some….lol but that still doesn’t fall into the same category that your inquiring about.

[AFTParticipant 2726]

Anonymous wrote:

I was trying to think of whether there has ever been a female general in any army

http://apranik.blogspot.com.au/2009/10/persian-female-warriors.html

You’ll have to go back a long way……….

559 B.C.

Arteshbod Pantea – Commander of the Persian “Immortal” Army

It’s hard to believe but perhaps there were unicorns a long time ago?

When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan

[Anonymous 26]

yeah that’s a long time ago AFT good researching man!

[OldBillParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

While I was reading your post I was trying to think of whether there has ever been a female general in any army…

Too many to count, actually. Especially during Europe’s Classical Era and for long periods of time elsewhere in the world. I think John Keegan wrote an essay on the topic.

In pre-gunpowder or “muscular” warfare, generals were more about morale than C3I. Once the battle was joined, there wasn’t a lot of tactical maneuvering occurring because communications between formations and up/down the “chain of command” was insanely difficult. Generals were more rally points and “our standard still flies” than battle directors. Sure, Alexander fought in the ranks thanks to his personality cult and/or death wish, many others followed his example, and others who were wiser like Caeser sometimes found it necessary to inspire frontline troops by personal example. However, a commander – as opposed to the commander’s guard which was usually picked men with the best equipment – rarely fought or fought for long.

So, there were plenty of women who led armies with the “nuts & bolts” help of long service professionals, much like the Roman Republican system had politically elected tribunes leading armies with the “nuts & bolts” help of long service centurions.

God knows I enjoy popping modern women’s hugely inflated self-esteem bubble, but there are enough real historical examples of female arrogance and hypocrisy without making s~~~ up.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[FreeatlastParticipant 24]

Good woman…

I’ve been working on this for some time now. I won’t lump all women in this slimy pit that most women belong in but, one stands out in my life.

It was my paternal grandmother mother. I know she was human so that includes lots of faults but in my memory she was the unicorn that farted pixie dust.

So she kept the house nice, took care of her man like no other ive ever seen, cooked every meal, made ALL her own clothes and most of mine, never bitched about anything… EVER!

Again, she was human so I know behind closed doors there must have been another side but I never saw it or heard any talk of it and grand dad was my best friend of all time, we talked about everything and he would have mentioned something. He would have laid his very life down to save her.

Maybe I’m delusional in my view of this special woman,

Free

[CaliParticipant 753]

Not to jump to the defense of women, but I’ve personally served under women who I had no trouble following, as they were more experienced and, as far as I can tell, worked wholeheartedly at what they dedicated themselves to. They are truly the minority, and were mostly older tradcon Christian women. That being said, I have also served under women whom I couldn’t wait to get out from under, due to them just being hard for me to be around, and most of them have been tradcon women…
The truth is that even if there were unicorns, they still really wouldn’t be worth sacrificing your freedom, time, and money for, especially in Western Countries. Again, the hand-grenade principle applies: maybe not all of them would be intolerable to live with if you have the patience, but a huge percentage, even the majority, will be. Plus, the dishonest ones who will slit your throat if they think it’s worth it will try to seem like unicorns. Marriage today is really just a long game of Russian Roullette.

Conclusion: Not worth it. I’d rather have my freedom.

Just a misogynist virgin hiding away in his mother's basement. Nothing to see here...

[Anonymous 18]

Stargazer wrote:

Persuasion, by contrast, is getting people to do things you want them to do where they are going to come out with a net negative value.

That’s a great analogy.

I think in women’s mind and in their ways they consider themselves sufficient because they overvalue their assets. Whether its emotional or intimate support, she expects greater returns for an otherwise natural, mutually beneficial partnership. Hence, prostitution is illegal in gynocentric societies.

As @Pvt. MGTOW pointed out, there are exceptions. Perhaps, single mothers are forced by their choices to become self-sufficient. But that is far from their ideal choice. No young girl aims to grow up to end up raising kids on her own.

Women take credit for whatever a man has in a relationship, hence the idiom “Behind every successful man is a woman”

….. because women don’t chase broke men.

One good example is this woman who rejected $974.8M. And why exactly? In her mind she has skills that make her worth more than almost a billion dollars. Something most of us would consider sufficient.

[RoyDalParticipant]

A Self-Suffiecient Woman

This is a mythical animal. It exists only in fairy tales.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[DethklokParticipant 153]

Most women have no desire to be self-sufficient. Why work when you don’t have to? What’s the point of laboring when you can have fake t~~~ and sit in your husband’s beach house?

For those who are successful, more often than not, they are thunderc~~~s who desire power even more than most women. She is not about to pamper you, you are hers.

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