A possible NAWALT! she is a single mother who gets it!

[sidecarParticipant 35856]

IggyThunders wrote:

Wow. So Tradcons are persona non grata worthy of an eject button?

I haven’t dug through the entire thread, but I don’t think anyone cares about LucidLeo being TradCon specifically. He’s being called out for being fooled by a single mother AWALT chameleon and also for his “Men are equally to blame” bulls~~~. I think the whole thing about him being TradCon or whatever is men here wondering how he could be so taken in.

Keymaster wrote:

Shunning single moms and believing 2 parents is a much better way to raise kids is actually a “tradcon” view.

I’m not sure it is TradCon, though. Or at least not exclusively TradCon. I tend to think a lot of people prefer the two-parent standard over single motherhood simply because it WORKS. It doesn’t matter that it’s traditional or historical or whatever. What matters is it’s effective.

And that’s where I think the whole TradCon thing comes in. Not from the TradCons themselves, but from the feminists. Feminists are so desperate to s~~~ all over traditional conservative methods that they will lie and lie and lie over and over about how “single mothers don’t need a man to raise children” in the face of the blatantly obvious reality that single mothers CAN’T.

Two parent child rearing is simply the most effective child rearing method humans have evolved over millions of years. It’s only traditional in the sense that walking on two feet is traditional. It’s the feminists that turned mere effectiveness into a TradCon issue, calling it “patriarchy” and other such lies.

Kahn wrote:

I’m not a big fan of biological determinism, but it is sad that women seem to lack any control over this.

I tend to think that women could have control but don’t simply because THEY DON’T HAVE TO. Make women responsible again for their greed and poor choices and they’ll stop making them.

[KingOfTheSeaParticipant 1270]

Not a MG╠OW wrote:

NAWALTs don’t exist. Get over it.

[Anonymous 9]

Keymaster wrote:

I hope I didn’t just confuse the s~~~ out of you.

Nope, KM, I’m good, thank you. The confusion comes from the philosophy thread. There are some very deep and intellectual thinkers here. Myself not included.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

sidecar wrote:

KeyMaster wrote:
Shunning single moms and believing 2 parents is a much better way to raise kids is actually a “tradcon” view.

Sidecar wrote:
I’m not sure it is TradCon, though. Or at least not exclusively TradCon.

Well no, not in the sense we mean it here. Usually when a MGHOW detects a “tradcon”, it’s as you said:

sidecar wrote:

…. men here wondering how he could be so taken in.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

David Brooks is a noted economist who writes for the New York Times. In July of 2013 he wrote a piece about how a large proportion of men are leaving the workforce.

This to me is the true definition of MGTOW. We here like to socialize but most men don’t need to do that apparently. But their feet do the talking so here is what a noted economist thinks:

In 1954, 96 percent of American men between 25 and 54 years old worked. Today, 80 percent do. One-fifth of men in their prime working ages are out of the labor force.

As Nicholas Eberstadt of the American Enterprise Institute has put it, “The situation here is basically a disaster, a crisis far worse than most commentators and policy makers seem to recognize, and with no clear prospects for appreciable improvement over the near-term horizon.”

The definitive explanation for this catastrophe has yet to be written. Some of the problem clearly has to do with changes in family structure. Work by David Autor of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology suggests that men raised in fatherless homes, without as many immediate masculine role models, do worse in the labor force. Some of the problem probably has to do with a mismatch between boy culture and school culture, especially in the early years.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/16/opinion/brooks-men-on-the-threshold.html

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[USMC0331Participant 40]

Well this woman’s journey of accepting personal responsibility seem to last about a whole month maybe. She made a video about single moms accepting their “Ho” behavior. This is from a single woman who has two kids. Then she makes a video asking men why they are going around having kids with all these women? Oh really, so now it’s the mans fault again already? Is it the mans job to make sure you are using one of the 781 types of birth control available to women and usually for free? Her last video was some rambling post about “haters” and then she abruptly abandoned her channel for the past year. Well call me a cynic, but it seems that this woman was only looking for attention. She wanted a bunch of people to rush in and say “oh good for you for telling it like it is” Well when that didn’t happen, she was no longer interested. Usually when I see women like this, they seem to have another agenda besides just accepting their own stupid behavior. This one didn’t seem to last very long.

As far as the whole NAWALT thing, that is an illusion. All women are genetically the same and are pre-disposed to the same types of behavior. The difference is their environment. Women are not genetically any different then they were 200 years ago either, yet I would say they act very differently than they did back then. If you put them in an environment where their worst characteristics and encouraged and rewarded well then you get what we have in the west. I doubt Saudi Arabia has the same level of single mother homes led be irrational feminist t~~~s and all the negative consequences that go with it. I’m not saying that Saudi Arabia is a model society, but people act differently when in different circumstances. Every woman is “like that” just to a greater or lesser degree.

[Anonymous 9]

I’ve seen it firsthand in regards to black culture.

Where black men were once held as a standard of masculinity, and this may still hold true in some instances, but the effeminate traits in so many males today is a result of single mothers trying to raise boys into a state manhood.

When I was growing up it wasn’t like that, but then as I got older and starting relating with the youth in my profession I see it more and more.

It’s the result of babies being born out of wedlock with no family structure and the mother playing a role she is ill suited to fit.

 

[LucidLeoParticipant 65]

I ran out of here and didnt like the disagreement, but I see that was my mangina training kicking in and I am back here and admit I was wrong. I was a bit too kind in my assessment of that single mom, but it was nice her hear a mom admit she can not bring a boy into manhood, it is something I have never heard from the lips of a woman. I got nothing against you  all and yes I guess I do need more red pills. BTW I am telling the ex husband of the single mother I am living with about MGTOW soon and I am sure he would love it if he doesnt already know about it. I am working on growing some b~~~~ and not being a pansy anymore. I havent felt this good in years

[FitzBonesParticipant 304]

“I recognize the faults on both sides. I find it refreshing that a single mother can admit she cannot raise a boy into manhood.”

This is interesting. On one hand its good that she has said and realised it; on the other hand I think she may just be saying what she thinks men want to hear in order to get a free ride. Mothers are among the most dangerous and manipulative of women, instead of just twisting and turning things, they’ll use their own kids(or your own kids) to achieve their goals. They may not even realise it.

“The fact is single fathers have proven better than even two parent households at turning children of either sex into functional, productive adults.”

Men teach how to think, how to live. Women teach how to feel. The thing is, anyone can learn how to feel at any point in their lives; but learning how to live is best learned early.

“It might make a great thread to see if guys remember the exact time their NAWALTS turned to AWALTS.”

The day she came back being pregnant. I was working away from home for a couple of weeks, she’d gone north visiting her family. She told me over the phone. When we both came home, she was different; far more negative and manipulative.

"If you can fill the unforgiving minute with sixty seconds' worth of distance run,"

[JollyMisanthropeParticipant 3356]

Single mother saying she can’t raise her kid without a man? Sounds like she’s fishing for a blue pill sucker.

The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.

[Bobbing For BirthmarksParticipant 9]

LucidLeo wrote:

A single mother cannot raise a boy to be a man. This is a rare sight indeed, a mother admitting she can not properly raise a son alone. Feminism has brainwashed so many women into believing the father is not needed and women can do the same thing if not better. I think how men are turning out is excellent evidence to destroy that fantasy. I strongly support single mothers who are like this one, just like I would support single fathers who admit they cant properly raise a girl into full womanhood. Men do not know how to be women, and women do not know how to be men. But sadly both genders are so f~~~ed up these days from lack of parenting or over parenting that women do not treat men well and men do not treat many women well. MGTOW is a sane response to all the insanity and I hope many women will start rejecting feminism, as they will see it does not benefit them in reality, it hurts them. Anyway, enjoy the video.

 

I go further – I think every child needs a mother and a father.  Ideally, children are raised by their biological parents in a loving environment.  Clearly this isn’t always the case for all sorts of good and bad reasons, but saying that boys need fathers and girls need mothers doesn’t encapsulate the entirety of the ideal:  that both boys and girls need mothers and fathers.

[Vector VikingParticipant 413]

sidecar wrote:

Two parent child rearing is simply the most effective child rearing method humans have evolved over millions of years. It’s only traditional in the sense that walking on two feet is traditional. It’s the feminists that turned mere effectiveness into a TradCon issue, calling it “patriarchy” and other such lies.

Semantics, but humans haven’t been around for millions of years. If you’re counting back several of our predecessor species, then ok. For at least 100,000 years though, we know that humans traveled in small hunter-gatherer groups and the groups raised the children together as a matter of survival for their tribe. The women raised the babies together until the boys could learn to hunt and go off hunting with the men, and the girls could learn to forage. That’s how a relatively weak, definitely slow predator with no natural weapons like claws or fangs got to be THE apex predator on the planet. They didn’t pair off into lifelong companions who raised their children in relative isolation from their community. That’s a relatively new thing that came after the Green Revolution around 6-8000 years ago, when tribes began to forage and hunt over wide areas less, and learned how to plant crops and domesticate livestock. You then had sedentary groups who split into roles of rulers and subjugates. The alpha males got to have their pick of the women, but to keep the subjugate males from revolting too often, they were allowed one female each out of the leftovers that the alphas didn’t want, and they had to stick with what they got for life.

So the point that I’m trying to make is that two-parent child rearing isn’t the natural form for humans, it’s the absolute bare bones form. One hunter, one gatherer, and the smallest unit that a tribe can get (immediate family) that has to compete for resources with other micro-tribal units instead of providing and receiving more varied assistance from the larger group. We still have natural tendencies to self-identify with larger groups as a matter of survival (I’m from _____ neighborhood, I’m a lifelong Republican/Democrat, I’m a devout [insert religion], a huge [insert sports team] fan, etc…) so that instinct is still pretty strong. Even MGTOW is an identity tribe, with information being the resource that we share and receive with the group.

But yeah, no there aren’t any f~~~ing NAWALT unicorns writing blogs out in the ether. They still all feel entitled to part of your share of that mastodon that you just risked your life to kill, dress and haul back to camp.

[sidecarParticipant 35856]

Vector Viking wrote:

That’s a relatively new thing that came after the Green Revolution around 6-8000 years ago, when tribes began to forage and hunt over wide areas less, and learned how to plant crops and domesticate livestock.

Absolutely untrue.

Two parent childrearing is a direct result of the insanely extended childhood of humans (and I include our immediate predecessors I that).  It has nothing to do with agriculture, and predates it by a wide margin.  Raising a child into anything more than sabertooth chow  takes a hell of a lot of resources, and certainly more than any mere female (or group of females) is capable of providing.  When a man came back to the cave with his share of the mammoth meet, he didn’t give it to all the females.  He gave it to the female bearing his children and no others, as he has no incentive to do so.

[LucidLeoParticipant 65]

yeah I realized after posting that I got a bit too excited over this. It was just unreal to hear a woman say that, let alone a single mother. She is not a NAWALT. Thanks for all the replies everyone, I like this community

[Anonymous 18]

Anonymous wrote:

As Lawrence Shannon observed in “The Predatory Female” He describes it beautifully. Download his free book and go to page 16. He calls it The Chameleon Syndrome, Substitute NAWALT = Chameleon, and OWNERSHIP = Subdue male. One thing no one seems to have noticed is that the change happens virtually overnight.

Thanks a million for pointing out that book. Reading it after the fact, but f~~~. To a Tee. After reading something like that and barely escaping a predator, all I can say is … THANKS. For everyone who is contributing to raise awareness and helping their own.

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