a movement without hatred

[jack reacherParticipant 751]

I would like to posit this to MGTOW. That it be a movement that has logical foundation, and is the rational consequence of the feminization of masculinity.

We were mostly drawn here out of anger, but that is an emotion. And emotion is the female domain, and anger is most often derived from fear.

I would like to see the movement be confident in its arguments that are based on reason. Walk confidently into the future as our masculine identity and legacy is also that of reasoning the logical choice. The choice of being a MGTOW.

[Wandering MGTOWParticipant 34]

My favorite philosopher Epictetus holds similar views. We cannot do much about our surroundings: We are in a feminists society. We can choose our reaction to our surroundings. Indeed governing our mind is the only unrestricted choice we do have in the real world. When we do have a choice in our external circumstances, we can choose to Go Our Own Ways or we can choose to kiss feminist ass.

I choose to Go My Own Way. Happily for me, my circumstances permit me to do so to a large degree. A few female relatives, the occasional store clerk, women passing by in stores or on the street, these are my only forced contacts.

[jack reacherParticipant 751]

I hear that part about having a choice to go your own way. For the time being I am in a work situation that depends on very carefully choosing who I speak openly with, or even what I speak about. But I am finding ways to self define myself even within these situations – I think it is important for other males to know that there is still some room for self expression so I try to counter the feminist lies and repression within that scenario. Just have to watch that it doesn’t come off as a rant or it gets dismissed as emotional lunacy, sometimes humour helps.

And yes, they may break you physically, but the mind is still yours to control. A person can defeat them self if they are sitting alone in a room, but the key is keeping your foundation strong.

[hobbesParticipant 0]

I don’t hold hatred, nor fear, of women. Nor do I hold to the view that they are to be avoided at all costs. Aside from all else, that’s simply impractical. No, instead MGTOW, to me, means “No entangling alliances”. I won’t shy away from working with women, associating with them in my day to day, but I will absolutely refuse to date, have sex with or otherwise make any kind of emotional/financial/temporal commitments.

MGTOW means, to me, that my time is my own. I choose how best to spend it, to me. Viewed in this light, it’s silly to avoid women as if they were infected with a highly infectious disease; that’d waste my time trying to find “work arounds”. But likewise, I won’t make any commitments that potentially interfere with my future freedom.

[JollyMisanthropeParticipant 3356]

I agree. If a MGTOW wants to interact with females that’s his own choice, he takes the risk and should be cognizant of the possible consequences. I don’t want it to come across as some sort of Monastic order where we all practice celibacy and adhere to specific commandments either. Going our own way means exactly that, we are individuals. I don’t judge other guys that don’t want any involvement with the opposite sex, that’s their choice and I hope it makes them happier. I haven’t ruled out having possible relationships but I’m going to be damn careful if I get into one, and I sure as hell am never agreeing to marriage, nor am I ever going to be a source of disposable income for a woman. If that s~~~ rears its ugly head I’ll be flying solo without a second thought.

I completely understand and empathize with the men out there that have gone through hell and back through divorce or relationships that turned really ugly. However there are still a lot of young guys that haven’t even been in a relationship before. Educating them so they don’t go into a relationship with complete vulnerability is as noble a deed as any, I just hope they aren’t deathly afraid and under the assumption that every male/female relationship is going to be a guaranteed horror show. It’s all about being the dominant one in the relationship and telling the chick to take a hike if she revolts against your authority.

The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

@JackReacher. Thank you for bringing this up. I gotta get serious here…

We were mostly drawn here out of anger, but that is an emotion. And emotion is the female domain, and anger is most often derived from fear.

Be VERY careful with that. It’s very easy to think that – and it’s one of the FIRST attempts to try and turn MGTOW into “losers” and “involuntary incels” who “hate women” in the eyes of others — which we all know is complete bulls~~~.

ANGER is a legitimate emotion in the face of injustice.
The passive acceptance of evil is not a virtue.

Really MAKE SURE you understand that. I really don’t want to preach because MGTOW is a journey for every MGHOW to find for himself, but DO NOT feel bad or apologize for being angry. It’s perfectly legitimate. When men are angry about something, there is a perfectly justifiable REASON. Discounting it as an “emotional reaction and the domain of females” is something many men (especially women) are very quick to do too. “You’re overreacting”. “Calm down”. “You’re being emotional right now”. “Take it like a man” etc. You know what I am talking about.

It’s all bulls~~~ designed to deflect the injustice. Do not stand for it. Stand your ground. Stay angry and explain to those idiots that anger is a legitimate emotion in the face of injustice – and do not f~~~ing budge on it. You are not required to “be less emotional” when something is unacceptable. Maintain that frame at all costs. EVERYONE will try to make you feel bad for being angry about something. Continue to point out the injustice and do not stand for it. They want you to withdraw and pull back and will pretend the problem is YOU. It’s not. You are not required to “be less emotional” when something is unacceptable.

anger is most often derived from fear.

Again. I underline. Be careful with that. Anger is NOT derived from fear. Anger is derived from INJUSTICE. As a MGTOW, you will be told you are “afraid” of women. Women will even tell men we are “afraid of commitment”.

And emotion is the female domain

NO. Men are, always have been , and always will be more emotional. What we are LESS inclined to do (than women) is make emotionally-based decisions. Because they cost the most. Emotions are not bad or wrong. Emotionally-based decisions are what is bad for you.

• You don’t sign a lease on a dare
• You don’t race some idiot because he calls you “chicken”.
• You don’t sell a stock just because it dips 10%.
• And you don’t sign a marriage contract because it feels like “you’re in love”.

All emotionally-based decisions. And emotionally-based decisions are bad for you.

Women are much more apt to make emotionally based BAD decisions. But they are not more emotional. The most beautiful music, art, poetic literature, most moving images, movies, stories, operas, symphonies, romances, architecture!, marvels of modern engineering ALL CREATED BY MEN. What moves us the most, comes from other MEN. Exilleration. Excitement. Laughter. Tears. The greatest comedians are MEN. There was never – and will never be – a female Robin Williams. This guy could make you cry in the movie Good Will Hunting, and laugh UNTIL you cry in other films. On all spectrums, men are more emotional in the extreme. Women don’t even come close.

They only appear more emotional, because they make stupid emotionally based decisions and they don’t even pay for them. MEN do. Personal responsibility STOPS men from making stupid emotionally-based decisions. It’s every man’s best friend. Women don’t have a friend like that. They don’t even know what “personal responsibility” is.

FEAR is something else. MGTOW are not “cowards” for not wanting marriage (for example). There is a big difference between “bravery” and “stupidity”. The only risk reasonable people are willing to take are CALCULATED risks. One weighs the costs and benefits of those risks. As it is, MGTOW have simply learned a marriage contract fails a cost/benefit analysis. It doesn’t require “courage” to have a woman in your life or to sign a marriage contract. It requires STUPIDITY. It’s very important for a man to understand these fundamentals, because they will be used against you in every day life. You must be armed to deal with it.

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I had a boss – a true sociopath – who would always remain suspiciously calm. Even when something was really wrong. It was spooky. And he would gaslight me – telling me the sky was pink (example) when I KNOW its blue. When I would prove the sky was blue, he would accuse me of being “overly emotional” and continue to maintain the sky was pink. This is what I am talking about. You must be prepared for this and you can’t let the manipulators get away with it.

“NO. THE SKY IS F~~~ING BLUE. AND HERE IS WHY……YOU ARE A F~~~ING IDIOT. NOW, WHEN YOU CAN PROVE TO ME THE SKY IS PINK THEN I WILL BELIEVE YOU. COLLECT YOUR EVIDENCE AND MAKE YOUR CASE. UNTIL THEN, SHUT THE F~~~ UP YOU STUPID FAILURE PIECE OF S~~~. THE SKY IS BLUE.”

And you are allowed to get as angry as you want in the face of this injustice. It is a requirement.

Eventually I beat him down, and I won. He was out of ammunition and lost. All he had was “you’re being overly emotional right now”. No facts. No figures. No logic. Just emotional shaming which count for nothing. His attempt to accuse me of “being overly emotional” finally failed. I kept repeating “anger is a legitimate emotion in the face of injustice. Do not expect me to accept your injustice. Only a mentally f~~~ed up person would NOT have a problem with that. So sell your insane stupidity to someone else. I’m not buying.”

This is not hatred. They will “hate” you just for being right and winning.
It’s very important to know the difference.

One of the main reasons the western world is so f~~~ed up as it is, is because men have STOPPED doing this and demanding integrity. Hypocrites have been getting their own way and integrity has become a lost value, because men have not expected hypocrites to account for their discrepancies or alter their beliefs. We have become too complacent and let it slide. We have been giving in and being MUCH too polite for the sake of being “politically correct”.

Those days are now OVER.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Crazy CanuckMember 4215]

Women aren’t even worth the energy to hate. These women will eventually crumble bitter and lonely.

"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle

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