A Challenge to MGTOW

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

Considering the themes of the “friend zone” and disposable male utility lately has had me looking back on how I have been contributing to my own objectification and so I would like to offer the following challenge both to myself and to the rest of you guys, if you’ll have it:

I believe that most men behave as though females are weaker than us and need our protection and provision in order to obligate females into having sex with us. We know from our experience that women are dangerous creatures and they SAY they can do everything we can do and yet they continue to benefit from our refusal to recognize and treat them as true equals.

So to that end I challenge you with this: The next time a female asks you to contribute your time, energy or attention to her, instead of giving it to her for free or just saying “no”, simply present her with an estimate for the cost of doing it and see what happens.

Old Example: Female blows tire on freeway, calls me to come rescue her. I drive 30 min out, change tire, follow her to tire shop, wait while new tire is put on, drive her to auto parts store for replacement lug nuts and bolts and end up buying them because she’s broke. Then I drive her back to tire shop and wait another hour while they put on the new bolts and tire. Then she goes home without me. I was hoping for at least an invitation back to her place so I could make a pass at her but I got nothing. Blue Pill Fail.

New Example: Female blows tire on freeway, calls me to come rescue her. “My billable rate is $40 an hour for time and labor plus $0.12 a mile fuel surcharge as well as 15.68% APR interest on any money I may have to loan you to get your vehicle fixed. If the service call takes longer than five hours, you’ll also be charged a $25 per diem for meal and drink expenses. I’ll need to authorize your credit card for $80 up front and will provide you with an itemized bill and final charge amount when the job is done. Do you agree to these terms?”

I fully intend to do this, even though I will probably get hung up on before I get half the first sentence out of my mouth. I will report my experiences as they occur and I encourage you to do the same and share yours here as well.

The most powerful thing we as men can do for ourselves at this point in history is to give females exactly what they say they want… to refuse to be useful and disposable and grant them true equality and all of the responsibility that goes with it. The most effective way we can go about doing that is to simply stop giving them our time, energy and attention for free.

[AntaresParticipant 208]

This is similar to something I’ve been thinking about for a while. I was actually considering writing an article (or maybe doing a recording) on what being a Level 3 MGTOW can offer as far as benefits. Although I’ve noticed many backing away from the “levels” concept, and I don’t have anywhere to put it. Anyway, I called it quits on women a while ago, but I noticed there was a courtship shadow which remained in my life for a while after that. It’s come in stages, but once I said to myself sex is off the table things changed a lot for me. What does a women offer aside from sex? Every man has their own answer for that, but in my case it was truly nothing. Women offer me no level of friendship, nor do they ever reciprocate favors. I don’t think men have to swear off women as I did for this to happen, but simply understand there’s a level of programing in us that is far deeper than we realize, and it’s only to our detriment.

Price is what you pay, value is what you get. -- Ben Graham

[VileNordParticipant 766]

This is the essence of MGTOW. We all know that a woman’s only bargaining chip is her sexuality. She will use her sexuality to garner all her wants and whims from a naive man. Her pheromones are so strong that she can do this without even having to put out. The slightest whiff of possible sexual congress can turn the male mind to mush.

It has been said many times, yet cannot be stressed enough, that the man’s equivalent power to her sexuality is his time. She will do anything in order to secure your time for free. Ass, Grass, or Cash bitches. Nobody rides for free.

Lust for comfort suffocates the soul

[PhilosophigusParticipant 36]

F~~~ing AYE Doc and Nord!!!!

I accept this.. and will practice this myself.. For I myself am quite curious of the outcome or reaction. They want true equality, they will get it.

Man UP ladies (towards women).. the $$$ and time will no longer be there from this dude.

[ngghowParticipant 6]

I think a flat no works better unless I know that the woman friend is in fact willing to do things for me, and that the things she’s willing to do for me have nothing to do with her affections or getting access to sex – I am just not willing to be reduced to that any more. Even if I knew my efforts would result in getting sex, it’s pretty grim when women just think of you as “those sex people” who are willing to do anything for sex.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

Hah, I must have been drunk when I wrote that. I know the only reason a female would call me looking for assistance (road-side or otherwise) is because she didn’t want to pay someone for it. So offering the work at my standard billable rate really is absurd… better to just say “Sorry, I don’t work for free. Call the guy you’re f~~~ing… he’ll do it.”

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Stargazer wrote:

New Example: Female blows tire on freeway, calls me to come rescue her. “My billable rate is $40 an hour for time and labor plus $0.12 a mile fuel surcharge as well as 15.68% APR interest on any money I may have to loan you to get your vehicle fixed. If the service call takes longer than five hours, you’ll also be charged a $25 per diem for meal and drink expenses. I’ll need to authorize your credit card for $80 up front and will provide you with an itemized bill and final charge amount when the job is done. Do you agree to these terms?”

I fully intend to do this, even though I will probably get hung up on before I get half the first sentence out of my mouth. I will report my experiences as they occur and I encourage you to do the same and share yours here as well.

I would pay to see it! Have a story to add to this!

I used to help women if they’d ask “do you know anything about computers?” while twirling their locks or some s~~~, and like a doggy I would sit with her for 2 hours and show her s~~~ I spent countless hours learning myself. Little did I know she didn’t pay attention to a thing I said and would just f~~~ it up. EVERY time.

Well a few months ago I built a small (but very nice) website for a LONG TIME female “friend”. She’s across the country, and was fully prepared to pay. But she paid some brainless asshole thousands$$$ to do a s~~~ job. So I helped her get the s~~~ back up and on her feet – for a minimal fee that made it AT LEAST worth doing.

Beyond that, I would help for my usual rate ONLY. So she starts poking about trying to save money to do much of the work herself, and I WARNED her. “This , and this, and this should be approached very carefully, if you have any doubts don’t TOUCH that s~~~ and call me”.

If you think it’s expensive to hire a professional… wait until you hire an amateur.

Well, one day (last October) she f~~~ed up ROYALLY and called me at work begging for immediate attention.

So I spent about 45 minutes composing the solution in an email through my lunch. It couldn’t be easier.
“Take this to your IT guy have him follow the instructions EXACTLY. Don’t attempt it yourself.”

The next day she, attempted to do it herself and BROKE THE WHOLE THING. The site went totally down, and it was a mess. She was begging for my help – right then and there – to drop everything and help her. She was basically f~~~ed. I was SO P~~~ED that she wasted my time, asked for my advice, I told her exactly what to do, and didn’t even bill her for those 45 minutes. So in my reply, I left her a phrase from a song:

“Let a woman in your life.
And patience hasn’t got a chance.
She will beg for your advice,
Your reply will be concise,
Then she’ll listen very nicely,
…and go out and do precisely what she wants!“
– My Fair Lady 1964

She replied with “LOLOLs!!!!!” and said how much she loved that movie, and thought I was joking.
(She’s Canadian and is one of those who thinks men are all f~~~ing idiots)

Wrong.

This episode sent me over the edge.

I was dead f~~~ing seriously P~~~ED at her, and simply refused to help her again. “ABSOLUTELY NOT. You f~~~ing c~~~s all think you’re so f~~~ing smart, you waste my f~~~ing time, I bother to reply, and then you are told “don’t f~~~ing touch that!” and like a 2 year old , you touch it anyway. No. F~~~ off. Find someone else. You don’t get to treat me that way. You just f~~~ed yourself for not listening. Your problem. Zero f~~~s given.”

After +20 years of knowing her, that was it. DONE.
My patience has been pushed to my limit and this is someone I actually cared about on some level.
She is history. F~~~ it.

Well a few weeks later, she messages me thinking I’m over it and wishes me “Happy Holidays”.
I sent her back a link to Sandman’s video “A Christmas Without Women”.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[davParticipant 422]

Hahaha! Now I gotta go checkout that Sandman vid!

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

I just watched My Fair Lady a couple of weeks ago. At the end, Higgins should have pushed Eliza into a mud puddle and gone out for drinks with Pickering.

But I really did enjoy the whole concept of a Christmas without Women. I’d known it in my heart before but that video introduced me to the idea of disposable utility and probably had a lot to do with coalescing my feelings about going my own way.

Great story, too. I can almost not wait for a female to ask me for advice.

[RoyDalParticipant]

Some theater trivia…

At the end, Higgins should have pushed Eliza into a mud puddle and gone out for drinks with Pickering.

Shaw preferred his original ending in which she left Higgins permanently and married Freddy. The Hollywood happy ending was forced on him by theater owners.

I think this must be the Sandman video:

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[fporrettoParticipant 26]

“The equality of the sexes” is one of the great myths of our time. But then, so are “the equality of the nations,” “the equality of the races,” “the equality of the great religions,” and “the equality of any two individuals.”
Only scalars can be equal. Human beings are n-dimensional vectors.
It’s not that long ago that an ex-girlfriend called and pleaded for asylum: in essence, concealment from the man she’d left me for. I didn’t know the fellow, and had to take her at her word that he’d been abusive toward her. However, in the several years since we’d last seen one another, I’d gotten remarried. I told her so.
The silence that followed could have frozen vodka.
“Well,” she said at last, “do you have any suggestions?”

“Do you seriously expect me to know where the abused women’s shelters are?” I said. “I’ve never needed assistance of that kind. Why not call the police?”

That ended the conversation.

“Who was that, sweetie?” my new wife called out.</p>
“A former friend,” I said.
There endeth the case study in “the equality of the sexes.”

[KeymasterKeymaster]

fporretto wrote:

“The equality of the sexes” is one of the great myths of our time.

… and it’s so easy to deconstruct and prove in seconds.

Women are not equal to men — because women are not even equal to EACH OTHER.

Try that on and see if it fits, “ladies”. When women even MENTION the term “gender equality” they had better not do it in front of me, because that’s EXACTLY what I tell them:

Women are not equal to men — because women are not even equal to EACH OTHER.

When they protest, I continue: Are you suggesting “all women are the SAME?”
Careful there, honey. Because you can’t be “special” if you’re all “equal”. GET IT??

The level of f~~~ing DUMB on people who blather this nonsense about “gender equality” is redline. They don’t even treat MEN equally!!! They can’t sing about “gender equality” when they don’t even treat MEN equally! A woman would rather date a man to makes $300,000 a year for a man who makes $30,000 so what the f~~~ are you doing talking about “gender equality”???

.. and she prefers one over the other BECAUSE there is no equality among men.
She prefers one over the other for that reason, and she seeks these men out FOR that reason.

The $30,000 man doesn’t “DEMAND” a $300,000 salary and he looks at men who drive Porsches and Lamborghinis with envy and admiration. He says “one day Im wanna be just like THAT guy”. He doesn’t say “f~~~ you asshole” and start keying cars and picketing about a “wage gap”. That’s exactly what women do! He looks to the guy with cool car and says “NICE ride, man”. But when in the history of f~~~ does a woman ever look at YOU with admiration – even when you’re more successful than she is, you’re “white male privileged”. Two f~~~ing jobs for the last 20 years, countless overtime, late nights, and I am “male privileged” because I make 25-100% more than she does because I have a DICK?

F~~~ any woman who tries that s~~~. Twice.

If we’re all “equal”. You can’t be “better”.
If we’re all “equal”, you can’t be “special”.
If we’re all “equal”, you have nothing to aspire to and what would be the point of improving yourself???

No! Goddammit. There is no “equality between the sexes” because there is no equality WITHIN the sexes. If a man at the United Nations ripped the microphone out of Emma Watson’s hand and said that instead…. she would have run off crying to her trailer. More proof there is no such f~~~ing thing.

When a man makes $29,000 a year (and never goes to the gym) gets as much female interest as Brad F~~~ing Pitt, then I will subscribe to “gender equality”. Never in anyone’s lifetime will that ever happen. Emma Watson isn’t dating royalty because he’s a garbage man or because he’s a “nice guy” to her. She has no business touting “gender equality” ever again.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

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