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I was sent this and although don’t normally post my private stuff, this I feel is a must.
This guy is not mgtow but he gets it.
I have removed any parts that can identify him so it’s not the full mail:
“Guys.
Us older men have a lot to offer the younger ones among you. We have experience and wide understanding of the ways of humanity. We can guide and advise. We can work with you, and maybe even be role models for you through what we have done in our lives.
BUT (and it is a BIG but) you must not let us blunt your power!
Younger men have energy, strength, inventiveness, dignity, ideals – and those are the things that change the world. Just one man’s lifetime ago, even before the oldest of us was born, young men stormed the beaches of Normandy and achieved the impossible. Sure, the old men devised the strategy, but it was the fit, strong, magnificently brave young men, their sergeants and lieutenants, probably full of fear but also full of hell and sheer determination, who did the job.
Turning and swimming with the tide? Bugger that for a game of soldiers. That’s women’s ways. I met Warren Farrell and talked with him at the Detroit conference in 2014. He’s an OK guy, but he’s a child of the swinging sixties when all this s~~~ started. (I am too, incidentally, although I never bought any of it). It is my generation that embraced the culture that spawned the evil scourge that is now among us, and I can tell you that it is not going to stop unless it is stopped. And that is a job that will fall to the current generation of men in their twenties, thirties and forties.
What is going on is wrong. It is human oppression being attempted by a weaker group in society who have gained unrighteous power in the land, and the only way that is going to be overturned is with resistance, fuelled by righteous anger in young, strong, clear-minded men, who say no. (And, incidentally, MGTOW is not turning and swimming downstream. It is passive, implacable resistance IMHO. Men going their own way are just saying ‘I’m not playing your game’, and therein is massive strength – in autonomy. Nobody can get to you when your’e like that. Ultimately, women need men more than men need women, and what man in his right mind would want the kind of woman on offer today?
Frankly, I don’t think we need to be anguishing about labels. We don’t need labels. The term MRA is one largely given to what we are doing by others who think labels define people. Who cares? The only banner we need is truth and right. That’s all.
The more I read these exchanges, the more I am excited to see such thoughtfulness, intelligence and decency. If what you guys are building spontaneously could be replicated across the country, the tide would be turned, I am sure. A connected network of men needs to be built. D H Lawrence talked about ‘the freemasonry of manhood’ that the gardener Mellors and the landed gent whose daughter he was doing in the woods were able to establish between each other. We all need to find that male freemasonry, and use it for mutual support, fellowship and even comfort in what I have no doubt will come to a fight – a struggle by men for their freedom.
Social networks are powerful. People in common cause need to ‘wander, bump and scrape’ off each another, as one writer on the subject put it. They need to meet, talk, laugh, joke with each other and generally ‘smell the animal’. That’s how male social groups work. That’s why meeting is important, and why the upcoming conference in London in July is important (I went 6k miles to do it in Detroit, where I met Warren Farrell, Dean Esmay, Paul Elam, Karen Straughan, Erin Pizzey, etc.) When you meet people face to face, you get a far better understanding of whom you can trust and work with – and you build more connections. In Detroit, I even met a guy in the same hotel who lived less than two miles from where I live! Can you believe that? Amazing.
I’ve banged on a bit, so I’ll stop.
My very best to all.”
Meetings are a show of progress when its comes to the men’s right movement. We need more of them and maybe even a meeting of MGTOW.
A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!
Anonymous54Well said. I think the younger generation struggle for a reference point. They look for Heros but find none.Before i found MGTOW i would try to talk talk to my younger buddys at work.They dont want to hear it. They think men are oppressors and its all just about equality.There are some older guys on here more well spoken than me.I wish they would write more. I hope younger guys will listen. Its your world to live in .What do you want to make it to be?
This is an absolute truth. Thanks a lot for sharing. With the older men’s wisdom and younger men’s powers, we can change everything for the good. And this doesn’t just apply to gender issues; it applies to life in general.
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Anonymous42EQUALITY= We all get handcuffed to the railing of the Titanic over the demands of the spoiled few.
Relations~~~s with the infected modern woman is all to often LETHAL, at best totally destructive…There’s only enough time to save yourself, we’re on the HMS Titanic, there’s a gaping hole punched from stem to midship, we’re listing. Most are in denial this Titanic vessel (in reality) with it’s lights flickering, is actually sinking.
Wise words from an intelligent man!
This quote is key for me:
The only banner we need is truth and right. That’s all.
Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?
I’m not particularly touched or impressed by anything he is saying.
Man lands on moon is what I get from this. In other words, nothing new or exciting here, old news.
I don’t owe anything to anyone. Not society, man or female to help eradicate this “oppression.” My way is to ghost and being anonymous to all is a means of keeping safe. The author speaks of resistance and heavily implies it is our duty as men to overturn the “oppression”. That is dead wrong. Many of us including myself will enjoy sitting back and watching the world burn.
I have no feelings of remorse for this nor do I care about what older people have to offer and no one deserves respect because of their age. Everyone starts at 0 and either gain respect or quickly show why they never deserved it.
The creators and participants on this forum have showed true benevolence by sharing their harrowing experiences, spreading their wisdom on how to avoid being ensnared by the nasty pitfalls of gynocentric society, and continue to do so at no cost. So for that, I’m thankful. You guys rock.
The author on the other hand is blatantly trying to tell young men how they need to do this or or need to do that as if it’s my duty (I’m 23). No thanks, I’ll go my own way.
Marriage is the disease, divorce is the cure. MGTOW is the vaccine.
I’m not particularly touched or impressed by anything he is saying.
Man lands on moon is what I get from this. In other words, nothing new or exciting here, old news.
I don’t owe anything to anyone. Not society, man or female to help eradicate this “oppression.” My way is to ghost and being anonymous to all is a means of keeping safe. The author speaks of resistance and heavily implies it is our duty as men to overturn the “oppression”. That is dead wrong. Many of us including myself will enjoy sitting back and watching the world burn.
I have no feelings of remorse for this nor do I care about what older people have to offer and no one deserves respect because of their age. Everyone starts at 0 and either gain respect or quickly show why they never deserved it.
The creators and participants on this forum have showed true benevolence by sharing their harrowing experiences, spreading their wisdom on how to avoid being ensnared by the nasty pitfalls of gynocentric society, and continue to do so at no cost. So for that, I’m thankful. You guys rock.
The author on the other hand is blatantly trying to tell young men how they need to do this or or need to do that as if it’s my duty (I’m 23). No thanks, I’ll go my own way.
I absolutely understand everything you’ve said here and I agree with your sentiment.
A younger me would be saying the same.
However, boys are being feminised. It’s not their fault or their doing.
They are being bred out.
Those that have made it onto USS Mgtow are lucky.
It takes little effort to throw life rings and vests overboard in the hope that some will be saved.
Yes I’m going my own way …. but I lay a trail of breadcrumbs in my wake for a lost soul to follow.
I’m not saying you’re wrong. We just go our own way.
I feel more comfortable reaching out when I can.
Hell even KM and this site were men reaching out a hand to brothers.
Without that masculine grace .. that honour … and that love for others … NONE WOULD BE HERE.
We are a diverse bunch and I admire all here.
As for me, I’m awaiting KM ‘s response here.
MRA’s although mostly well intentioned are lining up to be shot, like Vietcong that wore red shirts at daytime..NOT
"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."
I’m not particularly touched or impressed by anything he is saying.
Neither do I. The message shared is little more than the usual MRA and tradcon nonsense.
Men standing firm will not roll back female privileges to true equality and negotiating with women under the banner of men’s rights is futile. Similarly, the tradcon fantasy that society can somehow return to an earlier state ignores the fact that an egg cannot be unscrambled.
The game is rigged and it cannot be reformed.
The only way to win, the only way to remain safe, is not to play.
Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.
I’m not particularly touched or impressed by anything he is saying.
Neither do I. The message shared is little more than the usual MRA and tradcon nonsense.
Men standing firm will not roll back female privileges to true equality and negotiating with women under the banner of men’s rights is futile. Similarly, the tradcon fantasy that society can somehow return to an earlier state ignores the fact that an egg cannot be unscrambled.
The game is rigged and it cannot be reformed.
The only way to win, the only way to remain safe, is not to play.
Again I agree … but .. for me it’s not about the game, of course it is rigged.
It’s not even about going back to the old way.
It IS about removing oneself from the game.
I agree with all of it.
However, boys and young men that have been fed false information should be given advice and guidance should they show interest.
This can only come from those that have gone before.
I’m in no way on a quest to bible bash all men … blue pills etc
If I bump in to a young man and he shows the right signs …. I shall offer red pills.
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