74 NASA scientists dead in 2 years..???

The title makes it sound like working for NASA is not a wise career choice. When I clicked on the link, all I got was a blank screen in my browser. I have a ChromeBook, so maybe the browser is not compatible with their format.

Guys… we really do have a space program, and the ISS is really there. I know, I have seen it in a telescope.

There may be secrets being kept from us about the space program, but people are launching satellites all the time, and they really do exist. The ability to launch a satellite is the same as the ability to put into orbit a space station.

Going to the moon is not, repeat not, a big deal after developing the technology to launch a satellite. It really isn’t. Its basic newtonian mechanics. Nowadays we use full N-body physics, and because of that we have been able to launch a satellite to the LaGrange point between the earth and the sun, which means it is hovering there, at the balancing point, and can do science we haven’t yet been able to do. Its pretty cool stuff.

The hoax material you see out there is relying on false equivalence and logical fallacy to convince you there is a problem. There is not. What there is, is lack of understanding of the science of space travel by most people.

I’m not in the business of space, by I have myself a Physics and Mathematics degree, and I have kept up over the years as I can. I will agree with you.. there ARE secrets being kept about space.. but they are not the kind being talked about by the hoax believers. The secrets are more in the vein of military uses, and possibly paradigm shattering science discoveries that they won’t reveal, due to it being what they consider ‘too disruptive’. I do believe that this is true.. that we have discovered some things that basically shatter long held scientific theories. And the establishment doesn’t like disruptive change. So they are eking these discoveries out, a tiny bit at a time, slowly changing the language.. in small steps, to prevent disruption, and embarrassment.

In other words, I believe not only have we been to the moon, I believe we have discovered things out there that have fundamentally challenged beliefs about space and The Earth in extremely progressive ways, and they are holding on to that information to prevent social discord. AND I believe the military, and perhaps NASA, is funding expeditionary probes that we don’t know about, doing research that we never hear about, and using that information to slowly change the science industry form the inside out.

So, I think the evidence of secrets is not a smoking gun that shows we are hoaxing everyone about space.. I think we know a lot more than we are admitting.. I think the secrets go in teh exact opposite direction that is being implied by the standard hoax rhetoric.

I am making that claim from my knowledge of Physics, and from evaluating the evidence and data conditions as presented.. I urge you to look deeper, and question everything, especially people who stand to make ad money off of a lot of clicks.

Quick example here:

I have actually dug into the methodology of, to name one thing, the COBE probe.. and the WMAP probe. And I saw bulls~~~ there, but it was bulls~~~ that suggested only that the predominant theory was wrong, and was not a smoking gun to show any kind of secret keeping. And also it became obvious that the raw data was being used by other entities, and we were only being presented with synthesized results, after that data was massaged to show the result they wanted to get,

What the raw data showed was pretty simple: We are wrong about the anisotropies of the background radiation, it is not uniform, and not of the temperature profile we would need for a Big Bang, and thus the Big Bang is false. End of. But they used statistical magic to change that conclusion, and presented it so that it appeared they were correct. They were not.

All this means is that the Steady State Universe theory is right. It means the Universe is likely immeasurably old, and that we can never know how old it really is. Nor can we know how old the earth is for certain. We can say in confidence that the earth is at least many hundreds of millions of years old, and that this can be extrapolated to the solar system and say it is at least many hundreds of millions of years old, and thats about it.

Proving this would destroy almost every major discipline in the sciences, end thousands of careers, and upset the entire fabric of the scientific culture and establishment. Now I think its about time this happened, yes. But they are not hiding our INCAPABILITY.. they are hiding our CAPABILITY.

–MS

So, what you are saying is that a guy who has studied Physics, Mathematics, and Chaos Theory is not qualified to comment on this?

Ok… Tell you what.. I’ll try address a few of your questions:

1) There are people in the ISS. I know that because of a mountain of evidence to prove it, including the fact that the astronauts actually do lose muscle mass and bone mass, as can be easily seen by examining their physical conditions during the progress of their missions. I also know there are people there because the cargo missions carry food and water, and other necessaries. I also know because of the days and days of video footage that simply cannot be faked (if you think that we have zero gravity technology on earth that can produce such videos… I don’t know what to tell you that would convince you) I also know because things that people have done on the ISS are visible from earth, using telescopes. I also know because the Math and Science says its possible.

If you think all of this is an incredibly elaborate hoax… Im not sure that anything would convince you of anything, short of being launched into space yourself, and I have no idea why you are even asking for evidence.

2) How many satellites safely land back on earth? Ok, SpaceX has already brought back numerous cargo missions form the ISS safely, including scientific missions that were processed by people on the ISS. Check it out. I don’t have a number for you, but I can say its is more than one. Let alone the numerous times the Soyuz has returned to earth safely with people and cargo inside. Let alone every other manned space flight that has returned to earth with people inside them.

3) Moon launch. The math says that you need roughly a 97% fuel to weight ratio to get to and from the moon, and if you look at the Saturn V’s stats, thats exactly what you have. about 94% fuel to weight into Low Earth Orbit, and then to Lunar Insertion it ends up being 96.6%. Look up The Rocket equation and do the math yourself, if you don’t believe me. I mean, that works.. no doubt, since we have missiles and payloads that no one can deny. How much fuel? about 2500 tons of it. (or 5 million pounds)

As far as re-entry goes, there is a common misnomer concerning re-entry.. that the heat is due to friction. IT IS NOT. This is a lie being taught to small children, or has been taught, to avoid the more complicated discussion of shock wave heating. The heat is generated by the shock wave.. the air is compressed in front of the vehicle and heats up, much like the air does if you try to pump a tire pump with the hole blocked. It heats up some distance in front of the craft, not on at the surface of it, and so 100% of the heat being experienced by the vehicle is radiative… it is NOT direct friction with the atmosphere. So, the heat shield is designed to melt away, the same way we cool out bodies with perspiration, to remove that heat. I mean, you can test this yourself in a workshop with carbon impregnated phenolic materials. It works. And yes, the craft is zooming in at better than 25,000 miles per hour, but the angle of attack is pretty shallow, and its designed to be as gradual as possible without skipping off of the atmosphere, so the re-entry forces, and heating, are minimized to be survivable. This is basic physics mate. Physics you can see is true in a laboratory. Physics I HAVE seen is true in a lab.

Now, why doesn’t it spin out of control? The cone shape, when the center of gravity is low, is very stable in descent. Very, very stable. Because it is a weighted cone, and is stable in all axes. Your car is not a cone, and it is functioning while in contact with a road.. it has nothing whatsoever to do with a space capsule. Make a cone shaped thing, weight it down near the base, and throw it up in the air. You’ll see what happens. Hell fire it out of a gun straight up into the air,, and the same thing will happen. Why doesn’t it spin on its own axes? The capsule has hypergolic thrusters and small vanes, or surface deformations, to prevent that. Its the same reason helicopters and planes stay stable when traveling at supersonic speeds. Aerodynamics.

4) The Sun is the.. center of the Universe? Who told you anyone thinks that?

Anyway… if you calculate the force of gravity from the Earth, and the force of gravity from the Sun, and compensate for a few variables, you end up with a LaGrange point between the Earth and Sun, where the forces balance out.. What this means is a satellite can be out in SOLAR orbit at the point, ‘parallel’ with the earth, and it will not be drawn towards the sun, or the earth by gravity, and so we don’t have to put a lot of fuel on board to correct its course over time. In a way, it is like ‘drafting’ behind a Semi Truck on the freeway.. even though the satellites orbit is closer to the sun than the earth, it will still stay in a position relative to the earth that is fairly static, if we drop it in just the right spot. The details.. you would need to study the math to understand them, and I can’t teach that stuff to you on a forum. I suggest you look up LaGrange points to get the details… I have oversimplified this to explain it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagrangian_point

As far as pictures of The Earth goes.. I am not sure what to say to you that would ever convince you. There is a photo of the earth taken in one shot from the Moon, but I am guessing you think that was staged. There have been many missions to the places that have not taken photos of The Earth, but if I say to you ‘That was not part of the mission spec’ I am sure would invite ridicule. In other words, it appears to me the reason we haven’t taken pics of the earth since then is because it costs a lot of money to do it from far away, and they didn’t want to spend that money on taking a shot of a planet for no reason other than vanity. But there have been a lot of pics taken. Here is a site that talks about lots of them:

http://planetary.org/explore/space-topics/earth/pics-of-earth-by-planetary-spacecraft.html

So.. in the end, I am not sure what else to tell you. It seems your mind is made up on this, and without invoking comprehensive science knowledge, I don’t know how else to present it to you.

MadScientist wrote:

I’m not in the business of space, by I have myself a Physics and Mathematics degree, and I have kept up over the years as I can. I will agree with you.. there ARE secrets being kept about space.. but they are not the kind being talked about by the hoax believers. The secrets are more in the vein of military uses, and possibly paradigm shattering science discoveries that they won’t reveal, due to it being what they consider ‘too disruptive’.

Perhaps the GoldenEye really exists.