50% percent of marriage's end in divorce

I think a lot of them are miserable. I work with a guy every day who comes in either bitching about his wife or his daughters. I slowly try to educate him as to what’s going on and slowly he is seeing the light. I think after he gets his kids on their way that things are going to go south real quick in his marriage. I don’t bring up the term MGTOW yet. i’m just trying to work him in slowly and hopefully he’ll be free someday.

50% end in divorce, the other 50% end in misery.

That 100% BAD! Only a fool would play those odds!

Number fudging IMHO.

100% of All marriages/relationships end sooner or later.

Some married couples will stay together rather than divorce for a variety of reasons, and be amicable to miserable in varying degrees.
Some marriages are annulled.
Some marriages are abandoned, yet still counted as married.
Some marriages are not marriages but are counted as such to inflate the data.
Some marriages end in death of a spouse.
Some marriages end just wishing the other spouse was dead.

Just like the “she’s entitled to 50% of the marital assets” BS.
50% is just the starting point. The number goes up never down.

The numbers all depend on where the information comes from, and how they manipulate the data to get their desired results.

The number of people getting married is decreasing, so the Government expands the definition of “marriage”.
The number of divorces is also on the decrease, not because less people are divorcing, but because less are marrying. However at least half of those marriages will end in divorce/separation.

Out of 100 of my family and friends, all of which were married at some point in their lives. Only 2 are still married to their first spouse.
1. My kid brother just celebrated 25 years with his wife.
2. My kid sister just celebrated 30 years with her chad…err husband.

Everyone else I know over the age of 30 has been married and divorced at least once. That places my data at an 80% divorce rate.
That is just my micro view, your mileage may vary

-EDIT-
Neither of my marriages made it to 5 years – so that 100% for me alone 🙂

Wally wrote:

I think the 50 % is an underestimate, but I have nothing to back that up just my personal observation. I think the government lies about it because if the number was over 50 % more men would come to their senses and not marry. I will put this statistic out there if a couple has a child with a disability the divorce rate is 90%. I work with kids with special needs and I see a lot of divorce.

There is probably a good cross section of what you mentioned Jan. Of course any marriage could be all of what you mentioned over time.

My daughter is special needs (luckily mild) and it puts tremendous stress on a marriage. I’m surprised it’s not 100%.

Wally and Grumpy nailed it. The 50% number is creative use of statistics. Remember Mark Twain’s line? “There are lies, damned lies, and statistics.” They’re not counting 2nd, 3rd, 4th(!), or more divorces. They’re not counting people who simply separate. They’re not counting deaths or suicides. There are all sorts of ways to “queer” the number.

Look at the old lie about married men supposedly living longer. It’s only “true” if you count all the deaths of young men roughly 16 – 24. They’re men who never had a chance to be married, they’re men more likely to take risks and be violent too. When you compare married/divorced men with never married men from roughly age 25 onward, single men live longer.

The average person is basically innumerate making it easy to lie with numbers. The lazy media always tosses out numbers without explaining how those numbers were derived.

Freakonomics is a good place to learn how people can lie with seemingly accurate numbers.

Jack Harper wrote:

Couple of things.

When I was going through my divorce I was shocked by the number of male friends, acquaintances, co-workers who confided that they were kind of envious I was getting out and how miserable they really were. Even guys I had always thought were happily married. They were staying most of the time because of their kids and the feeling of responsibility to them. Sometimes because of fear of divorce rape.

A while back I read a stat that 85% of married men are unhappy.

So I suspect that of that percent of men that stay married, most are unhappy.

Now any poor bastard can make the mistake once. Fool me once and all. I don’t understand the guys who keep going back and getting married again. Crazy.

It’s amazing that men continue to marry when 85 % of the remaining men in marriages are unhappy. To any lurkers who are one the edge look at this number and think about it. It’s the number of men that are still married! Not divorced!

Marriage is a bad deal for men, don’t do it! I have said this before many times but the best man I ever knew told me on his deathbed to not get married.

Wally wrote:

It’s amazing that men continue to marry when 85 % of the remaining men in marriages are unhappy.

Men didn’t really talk about it. You suffered in silence, maybe made jokes about it, and stuck it out because everyone else was doing it. It was what men did.

Men also didn’t places like this to talk about it.

Then the dominoes starting falling. No fault divorce nationwide, women’s lib turning into radical feminism turning into pure toxic man hating, every year bringing more gynocentric laws, the courts getting worse, more set asides, more preferences, more whining, more bulls~~~, more, more, more, more, and never enough.

It took a couple of generations, but men began talking about it. The web helped too.

I go to a lot of companies and work with a lot of people. I cannot remember the last time I heard a heterosexual man seriously say that marriage is a good idea or seriously congratulate another man for getting married. It’s been years since I heard any man sincerely congratulate another for getting married. Years.

I was at a shipyard earlier this year. A young man was talking about his girlfriend, mother, sisters, and girlfriend’s mother all pressing him to marry. What advice did he get?

TO A MAN every man working with him told not to do it. Married, divorced, single, young, not so young, it didn’t matter. Not one man said “man up” or “I’m glad I married”. Not one man. Not one day. Every day of the two weeks I was there it was the same serious advice. No joking, no ball busting, and no s~~~. Completely serious, eye to eye, and straight up. DO. NOT. MARRY.

Every man there quoting facts, citing figures, and sharing personal experiences.

DO. NOT. MARRY.

Men are talking about it now. The tipping point is fast approaching. The number of unmarried young men in the US is at it’s highest point in over a century. Older men are getting out. The marriage rate isn’t dropping, it’s f~~~ing crashing. Priests and ministers who used to perform 25 -30 marriages a year are performing less than 5. Justices of the peace and city clerks are noticing the same drop. It’s over. Only c~~~s and f~~s get married these days.

Men are talking. Men are advising. Men are warning. Men are walking away.

It’s absolutely glorious.

I cannot remember where but I do recall reading of one study suggesting of marriages lasting beyond I think 15 years only 40$ of them were considered to be “happy” which is accurate leads to the following odds:

20%, a one chance in five that a man lives a life of wedded bliss, the partnership of equals we’ve been sold since time immemorial, strictly speaking not bad odds if the alternative was a mature realisation that the partners are not right for each other and everyone walks away with what they’ve brought in, but of course that’s not the case.

Your 80% is more like:

30% that the exists in a living hell, shacked up in a loveless sexless marriage to a harpy, probably a landwhale and almost certainly a feminist, most likely held to the marriage only by the certain the knowledge of what awaits him if he tries to escape.

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40% Divorce, initiated by her, probably with some kind of domestic or sexual violence implication. man gets eviscerated with the full force of the state behind his now ex wife, potential losing his money, his car, his house, his pets, his retirement, his children, his liberty and potentially even his life. the 2:1 odds of this fate alone vis wedded bliss make marriage a suckers bet.

Which leaves:

10% A (dim) light at the end of the tunnel, divorce initiated by the man, will typically only happen when:
1. the man hall b~~~~
2. the woman does something stupid like cheating or violence
3. the man can prove the woman’s stupidity in the divorce court
Unless there are no children involved the man is still going to lose something, but despite that loss being nowhere near as bad as the previous option the mental scars will remain forever.

In summary:
20% chance of “success” which may or may not improve a man’s life to an appreciable degree, 80% chance of failure which will cause at least some measure of harm up to and including death of said man.

And society wonders why men don’t want to get married?

As one of the married men here, let me add my two cents.

She’s happily married. She has had 25 years of having her needs paid for, she gets sex whenever she wants, and she is blissfully unaware.

I am not here for the because I’m lying to myself or trying to game her to the point where I get all of my needs fulfilled by the quarter century that I have invested (lost).

I, on the other side of the coin from her have paid over a million dollars to improve and keep her lifestyle, I’ve had sex when she wants, and I am awake.

I believe that 85 percent of men are unhappy in marriage. My dad was feeding me red pills at 14 years old, they must have just been time release versions.

The only thing worse than being involved in a marriage that costs you half when it ends is being in one that costs you even more because you recognize the shiftlessness that would have your child suffer if you killed it.

The easiest thing for any young MGTOW, just don’t step in the s~~~, then you never have to wipe it off of your shoes.