21st Century American Slavery

[LiberumParticipant 38]

Is alimony and child support 21st century slavery in America, and is there any way to abolish this politically?

[Anonymous 38]

There’s some argument for child support in a civilised society, however alimony is disgusting slavery.

[Nags4CashParticipant 1163]

They problem with child support is the amount. That guy using the new algorithm got like 40$ a week or something like that is all that’s really needed.

Murph ~ There is nothing brave or manly about entering into a contract with somebody which allows them to take your money, assets, children, and decades of your future income on a mere whim.

[Daryll55Participant 2950]

I still remember THAT PART of the financial determination form you (and your lawyer) fill out in order to guide the judge. I remember seeing stuff like household costs, and entertainment. Clothes?? (ya lucky you keep the ones on your back!) H’hold costs? Entertainment ?? F~~gettaboutitt !

Marry again, Hell NO ! ( Even JESUS was hung on a cross just once)

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22521]

What has happened is several lending groups have got into a fight over who enslave the American people with debt.

First it was mortgages, but, the college loan industry undercut and get to the Americans first.

Meanwhile, lawyers and government officials want a piece of the action through alimony and child support.

Keep in mind many of these lenders lobbied the government to pass laws to prevent debt from being forgiven through declaring bankruptcy.

When is comes to redpilling, the next shoe to drop will be the avoidance of debt. Keep in mind, the system is kept together by the assumption that men will be slaves to the system and everyone of the lower classes will become debt slaves. MGTOW already refuse to play the con game with women, and many MGTOW also are starting to avoid being in debt.

[ChristopherParticipant 2478]

Faust For Science wrote:

When is comes to redpilling, the next shoe to drop will be the avoidance of debt. Keep in mind, the system is kept together by the assumption that men will be slaves to the system and everyone of the lower classes will become debt slaves. MGTOW already refuse to play the con game with women, and many MGTOW also are starting to avoid being in debt.

I understood this red pill since I was a child. Yet I found in this lifetime for the most part (not always) whenever I tried to red pill people or friends on the ‘debt system’ – their eyes just glazed over – there has been increased awareness but still most people just dont get it / see the bigger picture – they have been indoctrinated/conditioned to it.

Feminism was funded by bankers/politicians to create more taxpayers. MGTOW IS FREEDOM https://archive.org/details/mgtowisfreedomblurayready

[narwhalParticipant]

When it comes to debt, I think government interference has screwed everything up. It really should be a simple system of an individuals credit rating and the collateral. But in the governments drive to push home ownership, they bend the rules to increase the economy. They pushed for student loans, which is essentially giving loans to people with no credit history or collateral. There should be absolutely zero surprise that student loan debt is outrageous.

If government was out of the way, I don’t think we’d really see too much debt slavery. There wouldn’t be student loan debt as no bank would give out such a loan. I’d actually support some sort of debtors prison or forced labor, but I think it would actually be very rare as all loans would have collateral and insurance to protect the investment.

As far as child support, there really is no good way to handle it. It’s absolutely wrong to force a man to have financial responsibility for a child he did not want and/or has limited access to. At the same time, a child deserves care. The only thing that really could be considered fair is for financial responsibilities, and visitation rights, to be established and agreed in contract BEFORE a child is conceived. No one wants to think this way, but this is exactly how any other financial transaction, contract, or partnership is done. This should not be any different just because we’re talking about a child instead of a car, property, or business.

Ok. Then do it.

[DarkRyuParticipant 2354]

Taxation is legalized slavery and is outright theft. To think that we went to war with Great Britain over a 2% income tax. The sheeple nowadays don’t even realize how bad they have it. You bitch about some f~~~ing woman stealing 1/2 of your wealth one time? F~~~, the goddamned government does this EVERY TIME you get paid.

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22521]

Christopher wrote:

whenever I tried to red pill people or friends on the ‘debt system’ – their eyes just glazed over

I have seen that happen to people by mentioning a number of issues.

Talk to a boomer about social security collapsing, or the pension systems going bankrupt. Nine times out of ten their eyes will glaze over and they will become almost robotic in their denials.

[Joey AlfioParticipant]

Faust For Science wrote:

Keep in mind, the system is kept together by the assumption that men will be slaves to the system and everyone of the lower classes will become debt slaves. MGTOW already refuse to play the con game with women, and many MGTOW also are starting to avoid being in debt.

Good point. And I would go as far as to say that the whole advent of civilization was to collectively enslave men. In fact, name me a civilization that wasn’t built upon slavery!

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[MonkParticipant 16979]

Liberum wrote:

Is alimony and child support 21st century slavery in America, and is there any way to abolish this politically?

This reads like an exam question.

[iMickey503Participant 12465]

Problem is, IT JUST TAKES ONE NO CONTACT ORDER to pull the kids away. And it can come at any time, and your f~~~ed. THey already thought of a way around all of this.

And as far as your cash? Believe me, the banks will not follow any order. They will be happy to pull out funds from ANY account that is even LINKED TO YOU. Even if there are protections for those funds. AND THEY WILL HANG UP ON YOU AND tell you to go F~~~ YOURSELF if you start asking questions, or ask to submit their John hanc~~~ over to the court.

THEY ARE ALL WORKING AGAINST YOU. HIDE YOUR MONEY.

You are all alone. If you have been falsely accused of RAPE, DV, PLEASE let all men know about the people who did this. http://register-her.net/web/guest/home

[BeerParticipant 11832]

narwhal wrote:

When it comes to debt, I think government interference has screwed everything up. It really should be a simple system of an individuals credit rating and the collateral. But in the governments drive to push home ownership, they bend the rules to increase the economy. They pushed for student loans, which is essentially giving loans to people with no credit history or collateral. There should be absolutely zero surprise that student loan debt is outrageous.

If government was out of the way, I don’t think we’d really see too much debt slavery. There wouldn’t be student loan debt as no bank would give out such a loan. I’d actually support some sort of debtors prison or forced labor, but I think it would actually be very rare as all loans would have collateral and insurance to protect the investment.

I agree with your point…its almost comical some people are too stupid to see the relationship between government interference, increasing student loan day, and the soaring costs of college. Government interference in the mortgage market that started during the Clinton era was also one of the primary drivers of the mortgage meltdown as well. I wonder what loan market they’ll inflate next while being totally oblivious to the eventual consequences.

Debt in general is a tool. There is nothing wrong with debt if you use it smartly and responsibly. Ultimately though, government interference and the banks can only be blamed for so much because nobody is being forced to take on debt…it eventually it boils down to personal responsibility. Just because someone is willing to let me borrow a ton of money doesn’t mean borrowing a ton of money is actually a good idea. I know when I got my mortgage, the general rule is you just get pre-approved for the max amount you can. I had figured out what I could comfortably borrow before getting pre-approved, and the number the bank was willing to let me borrow was about 2.5x that. I just laughed and borrowed what I knew I could afford…just because the money was there doesn’t mean I was forced to borrow it.

That leads me to wondering why if student debt is such a big problem, and has been something that has been in the headlines for well over a decade now, why have personal finance classes not been made mandatory for high school students? My high school offered me a dozen different music and art classes that really offered no useful knowledge or life skills for anyone, they were just an easy A on your report card, yet it didn’t offer a personal finance class. I’d think that upon receiving your high school diploma, having some basic knowledge of how loans work, how compounding works, and having learned some investing basics about real estate, stocks, and various account types(401Ks, IRAs, ROTH vs traditional, CDs, mutual funds, etc) would be infinitely more useful to the average person than a pottery class or drawing class.

[Sky-OParticipant 18934]

I do not have kids and have a vasectomy:

But I never led you guys slide on the child support issue.

Seriously – An average guy that has a kid (one) with a woman that he is not married to and is court ordered to pay child support will:

01: Make a $400 a month car payment

02: Spend $250-300 a month going to bars

03: Have no problem buying the lastest new technology – phones, computers, flat screen televisions

04: Spend money pursuing new vagina that he will also not wear a condom when f~~~ing

THEN – Complain about ‘child support’

I find it hard to believe that so many men don’t grasp that a 30 minute procedure (vasectomy) that costs less than a one week trip to Vegas with the guys could prevent 18 years of child support.

And I would think that other men would learn from the lesson countless other men spanning decades learned from the court system: Get a vasectomy.or wear a condom. It’s that simple.

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