I have the additional problem of suffering from “Nice Guy Syndrome” and am reading “No More Mr Nice Guy”. I find myself meeting most of the positive and negative traits lined up there. I need a place where I can vent, find a mentor, and have support from men who are recovering from being a “Nice Guy”. I looked into support groups, and or therapists but none are MGTOW oriented… They are all about helping you have healthy relationships with women by not being the nice guy that women loathe.

What are you’re thoughts on societies assault on your sanity as you’re adjusting to a new paradigm of not worshiping the vagina? For no longer wanting to be a provider or a breeder because the legal liability and soul destruction just aren’t worth it.

Do any of you have any tips on getting past the rage and frustration? How do you get past feeling like your sanity is being accosted by society? Has anyone here successfully gotten over being a “Nice Guy” or read and applied the principles of “No More Mr Nice Guy” in a MGTOW non pursuit of females manner?

I appreciate any feedback and as always all of your thoughts and experiences on the matter.

For the “Nice Guy”, I also read the books and saw myself in that but couldn’t find my way out of it through that work.  I always thought that I was “bad” and could never figure out how to be good.  Saying that I loved and approved of myself didn’t mean anything to me.  I didn’t have a process for doing that.  I knew that I had to accept myself and not let other people be the master of my life.  How do you do that.  I asked questions on this site and got lots of great feedback.  One that really struck me was to be “selfish”.  In being selfish I take care of myself, set boundaries naturally and love myself by the actions I am taking for my own selfishness.  It also helps to get over rage and frustration because in taking care of yourself, you let those things go or speak up and do things so that they are no longer in your life.  Having that in your body doesn’t do anything to the world.  It only hurts you so let it go.

Finally, keep taking Red Pills, keep reading here and keep asking questions and respond to other posts.  I find it helps me clear my thoughts and get out of myself and perhaps help others.

Tx

I admit all this is my fault for being a nice guy and white knight for so long. I saw all the things I hated in myself in all other men and therefore didn’t build the brotherhoods I should have. I endeavored for so long not to be like these douche bags that I just hated myself and was another miserable mangina polluting the surface of this world. Emancipation from these thoughts and feelings is why I will always be a MGTOW and count taking the red pill as one of the greatest decisions of my life.

However this being said I’m a newbie at these things and any tips on how to get through these initial hurdles would be appreciated.

I unfortunately titled this thread wrong, but after years of trying to be what society says we should be I didn’t know how to ask for help.

Unfortunately for me my oldest friend is a female who instantly insinuated that I was insane for taking on mgtow philosophy and for ranting my frustrations. Pretty much the standard dash of get back on the plantation slave, how dare you have emotions you worthless worker drone. You’re here to support and listen to my feelings how dare you have these feelings which insult me and all women because you see through our s~~~. Its you who’s not taking responsibility for yourself and above all NAWALT NAWALT DON”T BE A DOUCHE BAG CAUSE YOU”RE ACTING LIKE ONE NAWALT NAWALT NAWALT.

This reminded me of Aynd Rands Anthem

I would like to point out that this is definitely an evolution of self and that the “machine” will always say whatever necessary to bring you back into the fold. They will use every trick imaginable to do so including gaslighting to try and destroy the truth you have found before it gets to powerful. You might want to check this thread out as it directly relates to your question. http://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/being-a-human-utility-and-friend-zone-instance-1316595/

In a way the gynocentric society we live in is pretty sweet as long as you play your cards right, no marriage, no LTR, no pussy begging and you’re set.  F~~~ anyone that doesn’t agree you do exactly as you want, what more can a man ask for?

What actually IS selfish is a person who devotes all her effort to her own interests, while simultaneously trying to manipulate a man to ALSO sacrifice all his abilities to also serve her interests. Selfish is attempting to commandeer the abilities of 2 people, yourself and someone else to both serve the interests of only you. Who does this?

‘Selfish’ is a negative label attached to a man focusing his efforts on his own interests in order to shame him back to the plantation. Ironic that the source of the shaming ‘selfish’ label is the person trying to lie, cheat and steal her way into receiving the benefits of someone else’s abilities without reciprocating. A slave master shaming a slave that the slave is ‘selfish’ for choosing not to be a slave…would seem completely illogical, and it is. Who is so illogical as this?

Aside from small children, where else do you see this combination of illogical AND selfish?

As a recovered (and still recovering) ‘nice guy’, I can tell you that the selfish feeling you get when you start focusing your abilities to your own interests…is a sign that you are headed in the right direction. And if you try to think back as far as you can to that very first time you ever heard that doing so was ‘selfish’ of you, I can almost promise you that you’ll find it was a female voice saying it…and probably at a time when your abilities were just beginning to be productive and useful. Whose timing is that accurate in the effort to get what they want?

Ultimately, it’s just little kids in adult bodies adjusting their behavior to get something they want to have given to them without reciprocating.

It’ll be a long road I can tell, but as long as I can come here and progressively tear open more old wounds and share my hurts in a safe place I can assure a positive prognosis. I’d like to thank you all for your judgement free support.

-The more you learn, the more you’ll be able to recognize the stuff you read about in your daily life. Think of it as pre-loading your conscious for the real world. Soon, you’ll be able to spot this stuff quite easily in the real world.

-I recommend every man make a simple code for himself. Mine has three parts; feel free to use or ignore or modify as you see fit.

1. Treat your boys like your girls and your girls like your boys. By this, I mean you hold the girls in your life to the same standard as you would the men. If there’s something a girl is doing that you would have busted her teeth in for if she were a man, don’t stand for it. Similarly, support the men in your life. Build lasting bonds with them, show your appreciation, let them know they’re incredible because, let’s be honest, good men are not treated well enough in our society.

2. Don’t have sex unless you’re willing to accept the consequences. And I mean ALL of them: Condom-pokers, unplanned pregnancies, STDs, gold diggers, obsessive psychos, the whole bag. Be prepared, because everyone wants to believe the worst will never happen to them, but it does happen to someone.

3. Go your own way. Do the things you like to do, be the man you want to be. Someone gets in the way of that, treat it like an attempt on your life and take it seriously. Get them out of there, because they’re just going to try to drag you down if you’re not firm with them.

I recommend the books Sex-Ployation and the Manipulated Man as well. Good primers on female behavior in the Western world. Good luck.

good men are not treated well enough in our society.

Good men are treated like s~~~ in our society, If only unicorns treat men RIGHT; how do the rest of them treat men? So a well treated man has a unicorn (mythical creature) I never, ever met a unicorn, has anyone else? So we can agree that feminism has destroyed all the Unicorns and buried them a long time ago 1800’s. The human misery is incalculable, the damages are extensive incomprehensible.

I declared WAR on feminism, I swallow my pride whole, I apologized and explained to others here my editing transgressions, I wanted to dissapear like SoulMan (bad decision for the cause).

I’m not GAY, but I will suck a dick, and take it up the ass to farther this cause! At this point nothing disgusts me more than feminism and how it ruined patriarchy, turning MEN into little boys that the OBEY a woman’s unlawful commands. We can “TOGETHER” and “COLLECTIVELY” starve this parasite and its social order to DEATH, rid it’s destruction from the face of the earth! ONE MAN AT A TIME! I see a vision of hundreds of men a day being rescued from this gynocentric HELL, and eventually restoring natural order. Remember to STARVE the creature, NO affection, NO love, No special treatment, NO attention, Pretend they’re ghosts……………..