My question is do you think what he says is correct or no? If you haven’t read it, basically this guy says that to deal with women we must understand what they mean behind their words (I know–it’s not our job to learn their language, they should learn to be functioning people, but bare with me.).

For example, when a woman tells a mangina to have some ice cream, but he is big into fitness and doesn’t really want it. The mangina will say “okay, it won’t hurt,” and this is where he goes wrong because she subconsciously resents him because she really asked him just to “feel his masculine essence”. Then what happens is he starts to get out of shape from eating ice cream all the time, so she dumps him because of it, and the mangina wonders where he went wrong.

Now what he suggests is that you stick with what you do(Going His Own Way) without her consideration. So she offers ice cream and you say “no.” Then she insists and you tell her “I’m am not going to eat ice cream because I care about what I look like.” Secretly she enjoys feeling your masculine essence and you pass the test for now. She should be more attracted to you than before, and the relationship continues on successfully.

Where I see MGTOW differ is that you guys do what the second guy does, but you guys seem to think that women hate that and leave instead of secretly love it. I’m still pretty new here so maybe I’m wrong and if so you can tell me where I’m not understanding. I’m really inexperienced with relationships; I’ve never been in a serious one–I’m only 22. I’m hoping you guys can tell me if this book is accurate if you’ve read it, and if this is not making sense what I’m saying, there are many examples of other situations where a woman does things she doesn’t mean that I can tell you about and how he advises to handle it.

Thanks in advance for your input.

MGTOW has everything thing to do with the effects of dealing with women

Neither of your options are correct when addressing MGTOW.

I wouldn’t want to be too harsh on people popping into a forum. People are at different points in the path. I was at that PUA point a couple of years ago. Like others have said, if that is what you are interested in, try red pill philosophy and pick up artistry. We will save you a spot here. All roads lead to MGTOW.

Maybe I am overthinking it a bit. It’s been a long day and a very intense gym session tonight. I am overtired lol.

Clint – these are very common mind games women play and at the end of the day, the answer is always never in the man’s favor. I do not believe at all that she becomes more attracted to you by following the the approach outlined in the book.

“she subconsciously resents him because she really asked him just to “feel his masculine essence”. Then what happens is he starts to get out of shape from eating ice cream all the time, so she dumps him because of it, and the mangina wonders where he went wrong.” – this is what I would be inclined to agree with because that displays one of the average female’s most common traits – trading up.

This website has not been created to help men figure out how and why to understand women. It’s purpose is much closer to helping men figure out how and why to abandon them. One of the main reasons that is given for abandoning them is that, as you pointed out in your post, they can’t be trusted even to do the most simple thing of actually meaning what it is they say and do. That makes them no more reliable than little children. I don’t read a lot of books or spend a lot of time trying to understand the babblings of random toddlers because even if I succeeded in understanding them, they have little to offer me as a return on the investment of that effort.

This may be difficult for you to accept right now. At 22, you (and me when I was your age) are awash in hormones that create the impression in you that a woman’s ability to provide sex has some enormous, amazing value. It’s a value so high that you may actually meet one who will convince you to sign a marriage contract in order to achieve it. Believing you understand women may create the false sense of security in you that can result in signing that contract. Doing so will provide you with some sex, at least for the short term. But in the long term, is very likely to cost you just about everything you have.

For the time being though, have you noticed that there are very few books written to help women understand men? What do you think might be the explanation for why men are making this effort to understand women, but women don’t seem to think that understanding men is worth a similar effort?

Please know that I don’t mean any of this to seem unwelcoming to you. We are always happy to see any new member here, and I hope to read your posts on whatever other topics here interest you. It’s just that understanding women is no longer a goal for us as much as distancing ourselves from them has become.

From what I understand, you guys know that women chase guys who treat them like s~~~. Why do they do this? Because they know they can never be first in their life. Men who treat women like s~~~ are GOING THEIR OWN WAY and don’t give a f~~~ about her. What this guy proposes is that a man’s essence is to put his career and passion first and woman second, and a female’s essence is to put the relationship first. You are taking the essence of the “typical asshole” without being an irresponsible delinquent. This allows the woman to be in your life and not act out like the normal c~~~s who take advantage of manginas BECAUSE SHE KNOWS THAT HE WILL TOSS HER ASS OUT AT ANY MOMENT WITHOUT HESITATION.

A mangina will allow the woman to push herself into first and that is why they are never respected by women. Is this making sense? Where am I going wrong?

Welcome Clint, Nice avatar. First, I’ll say that I haven’t read the book. I might have read it at 22 when I still believed that understanding women was both possible, and worth the effort. But I’m closer to 52 now and no longer believe that women have anything to offer me that is worth the amount of my time and effort it would require me to ‘understand’ them. This website has not been created to help men figure out how and why to understand women. It’s purpose is much closer to helping men figure out how and why to abandon them. One of the main reasons that is given for abandoning them is that, as you pointed out in your post, they can’t be trusted even to do the most simple thing of actually meaning what it is they say and do. That makes them no more reliable than little children. I don’t read a lot of books or spend a lot of time trying to understand the babblings of random toddlers because even if I succeeded in understanding them, they have little to offer me as a return on the investment of that effort. This may be difficult for you to accept right now. At 22, you (and me when I was your age) are awash in hormones that create the impression in you that a woman’s ability to provide sex has some enormous, amazing value. It’s a value so high that you may actually meet one who will convince you to sign a marriage contract in order to achieve it. Believing you understand women may create the false sense of security in you that can result in signing that contract. Doing so will provide you with some sex, at least for the short term. But in the long term, is very likely to cost you just about everything you have. For the time being though, have you noticed that there are very few books written to help women understand men? What do you think might be the explanation for why men are making this effort to understand women, but women don’t seem to think that understanding men is worth a similar effort? Please know that I don’t mean any of this to seem unwelcoming to you. We are always happy to see any new member here, and I hope to read your posts on whatever other topics here interest you. It’s just that understanding women is no longer a goal for us as much as distancing ourselves from them has become.

Hello BrainPilot, I appreciate the warm welcome! I understand that you have given up on women, and I totally respect that. I’m not going to tell you what you should be doing in any way because that’s what women are for. I do want to direct you to my last post, though. I feel like if women understand that they do not have the control, they will not act out as much because they understand a man who is not a slave to vagina does not tolerate a woman who will do ridiculous stunts to get attention.

I will say that I like the way you guys think about marriage. I think if a man that was in control got married, he would no longer have that control and the woman could then go back to acting out. However, if he can convince her that marriage is never going to happen, and that he won’t tolerate any nonsense, then the only options left are to behave like a normal human being and stay with him, or to leave. Eventually a man would sort through the nonsense and find a woman who respects his belief.

Understand that this is all theorizing because I don’t have much experience.