MGTOWWhen you die – MGTOW https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/when-you-die/feed/ Tue, 09 Jun 2020 04:02:35 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=2.5.14-6684 en-US https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/when-you-die/page/261/#post-79237 <![CDATA[When you die]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/when-you-die/page/261/#post-79237 Sun, 05 Jul 2015 22:33:48 +0000 Jeremiah Johnson I would like to open a conversation, but, before we start, we must ALL agree to be adults here, and value each opinion, and not UNDER any circumstances degrade a fellow brother for his belief. That being said and out of the way, I would like to know each of your personal views on what happens to you when you die, and why you believe that. It doesn’t have to be to personal, just a quick thought on the matter, I am asking only because I feel for a long time I have been very lost at sea when it comes to my beliefs. I was raised catholic, and was the vice president of my youth board at church, and the president of our church debate team,  when I lost several friends to suicide. I have been back and forth, debating the bible, the story of Jesus, Judaism, Atheism, and I could go on. I have studied more on Buddhism as an adult more than anything else though. Just wavering around the outside of it all. I do from time to time take time to meditate. I must say that the few different meditations I have practiced thus far have brought me closer to a “belief?” than anything else ever has. I cannot explain it other than it just feels right to me. When I am meditating I feel better than I have ever have in my whole life, and afterwords as well, but meditation and Buddhism, NOT the same thing, not even the same playing field eh. But another sorta cheesedick movement has really interested me, in that we are all connected in some way. Not just us humans, but all living matter on earth. Whether it is a connection thought the air we all have to breathe or something far deeper I am unsure. In conclusion, I want to see how others have dealt with this, and how and why. If you will please, thanks in advance.

Men are at a time when panning for gold in a urinal has a higher probability of success than finding a faithful and loving woman, it is time to go your own way.....

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/when-you-die/#post-79243 <![CDATA[Reply To: When you die]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/when-you-die/#post-79243 Sun, 05 Jul 2015 22:41:18 +0000 bcroger I don’t think that anything happens. Its like before you were even born.

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/when-you-die/#post-79245 <![CDATA[Reply To: When you die]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/when-you-die/#post-79245 Sun, 05 Jul 2015 22:46:40 +0000 Soldier-Medic Many native American beliefs held that “The Great Spirit” resides in all things.  Rocks, stream, animals etc.

Christian belief holds that God created the universe, world, and everything on it.  God spoke reality and the world in to being.  This being said, would it not be true that the very keyboard you typed on, exists because God word dictated the laws of the universe?  Taken a step further, your keyboards exists because of God’s Word.  So, we can say that the Word of God can be found in all things.  For me, this is my connection with the world.

What is going to happen when I die.  I believe in heaven.  I have asked God many times for an answer to a question.  All to often some random stranger has something to say that answers my question.  Sounds random to others, but for me His prophets can be found on just about any street corner.

Logic tells me that we are beings, elevated above all other animals on this world.  There is no evolutionary reason for mankind to be as intelligent, self aware, innovative, insightful, etc. for man to be a successful animal.  We just haven’t done a very good job of taking care of our home.  And please don’t bring up space aliens.

There is also the theory of the Collective Unconsciousness by Carl Jung.  Jungian psychology is not my cup of tea but some truth can be found anywhere.

"I asked you a question. I didn't ask you to repeat what the voices in you head are telling you" ~ Me. ........Yes I'm still angry.

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/when-you-die/#post-79254 <![CDATA[Reply To: When you die]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/when-you-die/#post-79254 Sun, 05 Jul 2015 22:58:59 +0000 Buford I meditate every day. I seek nothing spiritual from it, for me it’s all about the breathing and the calming effect it has on your mind and body. I also do yoga, but only because it’s wonderful exercise and keeps everything toned and long. I need to keep everything stretched out because I’ve been a racing/TT cyclist for nearly 30 years. Not doing vigorous stretching will just make the cycling shorten everything and give you real problems if left unchecked.

As I said I take nothing spiritual from it, I don’t recite mantras; I just breathe and stretch. Purely physical. I’ve lost friends to suicide, cancer, alcoholism, accidents, drugs but it’s never made me consider that there is more beyond this life. When I die i’ll return to dust. Nothing more. I don’t need it to be more.

I understand why people when they meditate get a spiritual sense. If you do meditate long and deeply enough, you can experience a sense of perfect quiet. From this, deep down memories and images can emerge because the clutter of more recent memories and feelings aren’t in the way. Often after meditating i’ll experience a long forgotten event, or a smell that hadn’t hit my nose in years suddenly filling my nostrils. I view this as a natural reaction to deep breathing exercises, and don’t attach a meaning of otherworldliness to it.

"This happens every time one of these floozies starts poontangin' around with those show folk fags. - Sheriff Buford T. Justice"

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/when-you-die/#post-79255 <![CDATA[Reply To: When you die]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/when-you-die/#post-79255 Sun, 05 Jul 2015 23:04:31 +0000 Wolf

I don’t think that anything happens. Its like before you were even born.

IMO, that’s a good way to describe it.

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/when-you-die/#post-79258 <![CDATA[Reply To: When you die]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/when-you-die/#post-79258 Sun, 05 Jul 2015 23:11:51 +0000 FrankOne I think meditation and self-reflection is great!  It’s wonderful you’ve learned about different faiths and keep an open mind.  I remember reading Siddhartha in high school and first learning about the Noble Eightfold Path — very different thinking than Judeo-Christian religion.  Non-violence is central to Buddhism, and it’s usually followed, though not in Burma.

I don’t think we’re all connected on a spiritual level, but that’s just my belief — I believe that we have a beginning and end and are entirely physical.  What were we before we were born?  So I’ll probably be the extreme ‘rationalist’.  That said, it’s probably more useful to do good works than to spend time in a Church or temple every week worshiping or chanting, in my opinion.

We’re certainly all connected on a physical level and what we do impacts those around us.

Religion makes people feel a sense of community and purpose and gives people cohesion, if it didn’t make them feel good, people wouldn’t participate.  Usually, though, they’re indoctrinated into a faith in early childhood rather than rationally selecting a religion later in life.  Some religions do great charity work, regardless of the truth of their supernatural claims.

I think some religions impede personnel freedom, e.g. a conservative Christian or Mormon is expected to marry and the wife stay at home and that is typical of many conservative faiths.  Also I don’t agree with all the condemnations of sex outside of marriage in many dogmas.

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/when-you-die/#post-79259 <![CDATA[Reply To: When you die]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/when-you-die/#post-79259 Sun, 05 Jul 2015 23:15:19 +0000 Good question, I’m going to wait as long as possible! Hoping for heaven, deserve hell, it’s not up to me! My knees will be knocking louder than anybodies! I know I p~~~ed him off! A bunch of times! More than I can remember! I’m maxed out on forgiveness!

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/when-you-die/#post-79262 <![CDATA[Reply To: When you die]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/when-you-die/#post-79262 Sun, 05 Jul 2015 23:24:19 +0000 I’m of 2 thoughts.

1/ There is some kind of spiritual world and you go there or your soul is reincarnated into a new life.

2/ There is nothing at all and you simply cease to exist.

 

Number 2 is a harsh reality to think about and kind of empty, also if number 2 is what happens then it really doesn’t matter one way or another if I would prefer to believe in option 1.

 

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/when-you-die/#post-79263 <![CDATA[Reply To: When you die]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/when-you-die/#post-79263 Sun, 05 Jul 2015 23:25:30 +0000 I usually believe in nothingness. But the philosophical side of me ponders as such: the reasons one would use to justify his or her actions and treatment of others become a form of reality that the person would be born into (the handed down circumstances). So basically the person is reborn with the reality that only existed in her own mind as a justification of plowing through people and life. A mental trap. Good thing about this is that karma is automated and noone needs to judge a person. There is no prerequisite of God or heaven/hell.

Example: Noone is honest nowadays why should I tell the truth? Next life dishonest people form the bedrock of her new life.

I cheated on him because he was an alcoholic abusive jerk. You can see where I am going with this.

I am so special I can use people. Next life: special people exist that use people.

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/when-you-die/#post-79266 <![CDATA[Reply To: When you die]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/when-you-die/#post-79266 Sun, 05 Jul 2015 23:38:50 +0000 MOWsince95 I think belief in an afterlife is derived from a natural inability to foresee “a world without me” (or without a loved one or friend or whatever).  It’s not a bad thing, but it also does not make it so.  The afterlife is no different than the many worlds one creates in random daydreams, only if one says “hey man, when we die we all go to another solar system in a spaceship, I know because I dreamed it” one sounds like a nut but if you point to a holy book it somehow seems more legit.

The comment above about everything being like it was before you were born is close to spot on, in my book. It only takes a little longer after one dies to get that way, because there are memories and perhaps physical impacts that need a bit of time to be forgotten or naturally reverted. That’s not to say I have no concern with death – it’s nothing to be welcomed for any of us or our families – but I’m not betting on a higher plane of existence out of it. Just live your life as a decent person, true to yourself and others (both human and nature), and you can’t go wrong, because should nothing follow the world would still have been a better place while you were here, and if a better place follows this life, then it is unlikely you’d be turned away for having been a decent person while alive.

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If you're not MGTOW when you are 20 you have no brain.

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