In the press coverage afterwards there was a lot of criticism about the men in the cafe not doing more, there was an expectation that these men should rush a madman with a gun and save the day even if it meant they might get shot themselves. Of course this would take a great deal of trust and co-ordination among the men as well as luck and a preparedness to die. The Gunman also threatened that he had a bomb attached to his body, one of the main reasons the Police didn’t storm the building earlier, so in effect rushing the Gunman could have resulted in widespread carnage.

5 of the hostages managed to escape 3 of them male as the Gunman drifted in and out of sleep.

So that story and the criticism afterwards made me angry, why are men obliged to put themselves at risk? Sorry for the lengthy lead up to my main point, which is also from Australia.

On 18th June 2007 8:15am, a man was seen arguing with a woman and trying to drag her out of her car. 2 White Knights were nearby and rushed to her aid, the man pulled out a hand gun and shot both of them, hitting one in the head and killing him. He also shot the woman and the other White Knight in the chest. I was at work in Melbourne on this day and the city was shut down, it was like a ghost town while they looked for the man.

This happened in Melbourne’s strip club area, the woman was a stripper, the girlfriend of the gunman who was a bikie. If the 2 White Knights hadn’t rushed in and just alerted the Police he probably never would have reached for his gun, the Police would have stopped them and case closed.

So the price for trying to save a Stripper, a woman who trades on her looks, doesn’t want to do anything constructive with her life except make easy money was dying. The White Knight who was killed was married and had children, so his wife and kids now are minus a father and husband due to him trying to help a stripper. This is not heroism.

The second White Knight who was a Danish tourist was still undergoing treatment and rehabilitation for his injuries 2 years later.

We are not here to put ourselves at risks to protect others and sometimes protecting others makes things worse. I struggle at times with this masculine urge as well but it is not heroic or useful, an exception being if you are saving someone you actually know, love and respect. Someone you know who will do the same for you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Sydney_hostage_crisis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Melbourne_CBD_shootings

As I grew the law and system changed. People divided, thought of themselves and knew not their neighbours.

The last I have seen of my old world was United 93 but that was because it was clear nobody was going to survive so there was noting to lose.

I live in a world where individuals are ‘self’ and everyone else is ‘other’.

I do not like it … but alas I must live it. My nature is kind, caring and empathetic. These things are now my curse. They binde and restrict me. They stop me becoming a ‘self’. I’m still a human.

I reach out to others by stealth and mgtow.

I can feel love and warmth without shame and can give out what my own soul offers.

I stay silent ‘out there’ and have a good mask.

Would I help ….. white knight?

The case with this biker …. I maybe would have first phoned the cops then gone and approached him …. man to man … and told him to not do this in front of witnesses. Talked … buy time.

I wouldn’t try a physical approach though.

Like Sun Tzu wrote: “So it is said that if you know others and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know others but know yourself, you win one and lose one; if you do not know others and do not know yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle.”

I reckon the aforementioned White Knights knew neither themselves nor the “other” (the biker gunman)…

I do feel terrible for the “white knights” though

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So the price for trying to save a Stripper, a woman who trades on her looks, doesn’t want to do anything constructive with her life except make easy money was dying. The White Knight who was killed was married and had children, so his wife and kids now are minus a father and husband due to him trying to help a stripper. This is not heroism. The second White Knight who was a Danish tourist was still undergoing treatment and rehabilitation for his injuries 2 years later. We are not here to put ourselves at risks to protect others and sometimes protecting others makes things worse. I struggle at times with this masculine urge as well but it is not heroic or useful, an exception being if you are saving someone you actually know, love and respect. Someone you know who will do the same for you.

I often place myself in hypothetical situations as I go around in public – where I have to sacrifice my safety to help someone in public.  After being mugged and saving my own life – but only after a brutal beating I sustained – still came out equal a victor – and my service in the Iraqi games – these hypothetical scenarios are never far from my mind.  Unfortunately – I’d probably do this for some narcissistic sloot that manipulates men – has a few kids purposely w/o a dad at home.  Its trained in my brain – but hey, that’s the exploitation of male virtues and the disease of western society’s gynocentric bureaucracy that has become a scourge on humanity.

– Very interesting good post!

I lived in a world where people used to give a s~~~ about each other. My early years to teens mostly. As I grew the law and system changed. People divided, thought of themselves and knew not their neighbours. The last I have seen of my old world was United 93 but that was because it was clear nobody was going to survive so there was noting to lose. I live in a world where individuals are ‘self’ and everyone else is ‘other’. I do not like it … but alas I must live it. My nature is kind, caring and empathetic. These things are now my curse. They binde and restrict me. They stop me becoming a ‘self’. I’m still a human. I reach out to others by stealth and mgtow. I can feel love and warmth without shame and can give out what my own soul offers. I stay silent ‘out there’ and have a good mask. Would I help ….. white knight? The case with this biker …. I maybe would have first phoned the cops then gone and approached him …. man to man … and told him to not do this in front of witnesses. Talked … buy time. I wouldn’t try a physical approach though.

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Morlock wrote:

So the price for trying to save a Stripper, a woman who trades on her looks, doesn’t want to do anything constructive with her life except make easy money was dying. The White Knight who was killed was married and had children, so his wife and kids now are minus a father and husband due to him trying to help a stripper. This is not heroism. The second White Knight who was a Danish tourist was still undergoing treatment and rehabilitation for his injuries 2 years later. We are not here to put ourselves at risks to protect others and sometimes protecting others makes things worse. I struggle at times with this masculine urge as well but it is not heroic or useful, an exception being if you are saving someone you actually know, love and respect. Someone you know who will do the same for you.

I often place myself in hypothetical situations as I go around in public – where I have to sacrifice my safety to help someone in public. After being mugged and saving my own life – but only after a brutal beating I sustained – still came out equal a victor – and my service in the Iraqi games – these hypothetical scenarios are never far from my mind. Unfortunately – I’d probably do this for some narcissistic sloot that manipulates men – has a few kids purposely w/o a dad at home. Its trained in my brain – but hey, that’s the exploitation of male virtues and the disease of western society’s gynocentric bureaucracy that has become a scourge on humanity. [/quote]

I too was brought up in a world where people helped each other, that world seems to be gone now, I battled against it for a long time but got sick of being used and abused for it.

With the example I referenced I wouldn’t get involved beyond calling the cops, it breaks one of my long standing golden rules – Don’t intervene in domestic disputes. As I believe what will happen is the man will kick your arse and the woman will kick you when you hit the ground for attacking her man.