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This man could use some MGTOW

Voidraithe — Fri, 08 May 2015 13:54:08 +0000

Found this here:

http://www.reddit.com/r/relationships/comments/35a9y3/my_31m_wife_30f_of_five_years_tricked_me_into/

I am here for advice and perspective. Thank you in advance.

My wife and I have been married for five years. We have a three year old son. She has made it clear that she would like a second child. I have made it clear that I wasn’t ready until we got our relationship and finances in order, and then planned properly. We planned properly for our first, why not our second?

She informed me this week that she was pregnant – at most six weeks. She told me she stopped taking birth control in March because she “ran out”. We have insurance and disposable income – “running out” is no excuse. She also never initiates sex. She initiated sex in April while she was not on birth control.

I feel like a tremendous breach of trust occurred. I feel violated. She stands firm that she did not intentionally trick me into getting her pregnant. I stand firm that deciding to stop taking a daily pill and deciding to keep it from your husband is willful.

Additionally, we had an amazing European vacation planned over the summer. We would have flown into Amsterdam for a few days, do a day trip to Brussels, train to Paris for a few days, then train to Barcelona for a few days. She didn’t want to do the sightseeing in Brussels and Paris. She wanted to enjoy the vices Amsterdam and Barcelona have to offer. I modified the itinerary to suit her preference. Everything is paid for and nothing is fully refundable. We will waste ~$1,500 on penalties and refund fees.

This timing also will likely result in double deductibles for insurance. We also have an insurance plan ill-suited for pregnancy because we were planning on not having a baby. I would have much preferred to be able to switch to a plan that would provide better service at a better price. On top of that, we just slashed our emergency fund to the bare minimum to pay off a chunk of debt.

We are both generally against abortion. I contend that conception does not equal personhood. Personhood begins once the brain is formed/functioning and the fetus responds to stimuli. I do not feel week six meets that threshold. Our prior discourse on abortion in general was 10 weeks being the legal stopping point. Her position has instantly changed. She is adamant about going through with the pregnancy. I am not here to argue abortion, for or against, with anyone. Thank you.

I am disgusted by this. Imagine if the roles were reversed for a moment: Wife doesn’t want to get pregnant, husband wants a child, wife and husband agree to use condoms, husband damages condoms in order to force pregnancy on wife. That’s f~~~ing horrible right?

Our relationship hasn’t been great since our son was born. We disagree on pretty much everything, the division of labor in the household is quite unequal, and our sex life is unhealthy. Our three year old son is the glue that holds us together.

I am seriously considering divorce. I seriously don’t want divorce. I don’t want to lose my son. My whole reason for waking up in the morning is my three year old son. I want to provide the best possible chance at life he can get. I don’t believe that is possible with divorced parents. I don’t want to see him only eight days out of the month if I am lucky. Just thinking about it is soul crushing.

And how would picking up my son eight days a month go? I would also be picking up the new child. The new child that I resent for destroying my marriage and taking away my son. Do you know how bad that sounds? I feel like the worst human being in the world for resenting a child that doesn’t even exist yet. And how do I morally divorce a woman pregnant with my child? I break down thinking about it.

Divorce has other problems too. Child support will likely consume 40% of my pay due to our income disparity. I expect even more due to increased taxation for being single. Then I will have alimony and residual debt to pay down at less than 60% of my normal income. Also, my work is determined by annual contracts. If for whatever reason I don’t get on the next contract or I get lowballed, I will have to move out of the area to find work.

So what do I do? Do I just humbly accept that I am f~~~ed and live unhappily and hurt for 18 years? The alternative seems just as appealing.

TL;DR: Wife quit birth control without informing husband. Wife knew husband wasn’t ready for second child. Husband considering divorce. Everyone loses.

My Advice, he needs MGTOW.

Clearly she used this guy and has been using you since he began the relationship and is hoping that the new child will fix the relationship. Pretty typical actions of a woman who is seeing her male provider/workhorse beginning to distance itself. He feels violated and trust was breached because it was. Look, it’s only going to get worse from here on out and divorce is a guarantee.

I say this to everyone planning on getting a divorce, stash away as much money as you can that only you know about. Be it a hundred dollars or a thousand, begin hiding your wealth.

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Keymaster — Fri, 08 May 2015 13:56:42 +0000

You want to know where women like that come from? Don’t ever think this is a rare exception or special case:

http://www.mgtow.com/video/wendy-williams-teaches-women-to-trap-men-into-fatherhood/

Look at the unanimous female response at how (almost 100% of them + one man!) think it’s acceptable. Laughing and clapping about trapping a man into fatherhood against his own will and FAR better judgement. And when that bitch says “ooops! I’m pregnant”, they think he should be HAPPY about it.

It’s a PERFECT fit to this story you found. Send him that link.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

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SMAD — Fri, 08 May 2015 14:13:39 +0000

This is the sort of horror story that reinforces my belief in the lifestyle that is MGTOW.

Marriage? No thanks, i'm not ready to be THAT miserable.

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Keith — Fri, 08 May 2015 14:34:27 +0000

His first error, allowing birth control to be HER responsibility. That’s just stupid. She has shown she is not trustworthy so he should divorce her and be done with it.

It is important to build and maintain mutual trust as it is the basis for effective relationships, she is incapable of the task, so continuing would be futile.

I’m just sayin’

Keith

ONCE UPON A TIME there was a man who never found a wife and he lived happily ever after. The End.

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XSDBS — Fri, 08 May 2015 14:42:40 +0000

Voidraithe wrote:

And how do I morally divorce a woman pregnant with my child?

Do you think any of her actions have been moral?

Is it moral to leave someone who is not?

Yes. I would. And have.

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Keymaster — Fri, 08 May 2015 14:52:58 +0000

It’s radical, but the gloves have to come off for this kind of s~~~ women pull. It applies to girlfriend who pull this stunt (have done it myself) but whether or not he has the cojones to do it with his wife is really up to him.

You look her straight in the eye, and with a calm voice without blinking you say: “OK. Maybe you will get my money. But you and your bastard child will never – ever – see me again. Starting right now.” Then exit.

(would have to be re-written for husbands)

It’s all in the delivery. And if you do it right, when she realizes her plan to trap and control you HAS FAILED, you have just multiplied her chances of her running out to get an abortion by the end of the week. Don’t forget, it’s not about “the baby”. It’s about ENSLAVING you . She knowingly does it against your will to enslave you on purpose. Make sure she knows she will not get away with it.

PLUS — if she does get an abortion (and she will) it PROVES that it’s not about “the baby”.
All it was about was herself – and enslaving you.

After you tell her, make her f~~~ing HISTORY. But you have to be prepared to walk and NEVER look back.
Don’t even feel bad about it. She doesn’t, and the child shouldn’t have been born anyway.

Do not let your natural male empathy get a hold of you here. It’s what she’s counting on.
You must be prepared to be ultra-rigid and unforgiving in your stance.

This s~~~ is the worst form of evil. There is to be zero remorse in your tone.

I’m not for abortion either. That’s not the point. The entire “abortion debate” is designed to DISTRACT men from the reality that it simply doesn’t matter what a woman does AFTER she allowed herself to pregnant with an unwanted child – and without consent. It shouldn’t even be legal in the first place and should be considered cruelty to children and fathers. Women should get a life sentence for this crap.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

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ILiveAgain — Fri, 08 May 2015 15:04:29 +0000

1. If she has this kid get DNA

2. Why should he walk? Make some s~~~ up, go for divorce & restraining order. Stay in house with son and let legal time pass. With luck you will have set a stable home with your kid when it come to custody.

3. Do it to her, void yourself of all feelings or pity. She will devour you given the chance.

4. It’s time to stand and bring forth your inner warrior.

Good luck

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TRUBLU22 — Fri, 08 May 2015 15:11:56 +0000

Wow, and I thought having children should be a decision based on commitment to the child, since the reality is kids need both parents to be healthy (though newer studies are showing that kids raised by single dads do better overall, statistically). Nope, marriage is the union of two people there is no more yours and mine, a relationship should be the reflection of self in another person not a path of deceit and manipulation to get what you want this second. I’m pretty sure her husband is like “no, I’m thinking on my way out anyway lets not complicate it again.” I wonder if her “friends” that apparently give great advice have anything to do with the fact he doesn’t want anymore children with this woman. hmmm . . . I’m not a scientist, but . . .

Gentlemen, leave no stone unturned. I recently asked my dad why he didn’t tell me not to get married, he said “you wouldn’t have listened.” The folly of youth and the error of invincibility!

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Beer — Fri, 08 May 2015 15:12:38 +0000

Keymaster wrote:

You look her straight in the eye, and with a calm voice without blinking you say: “OK. Maybe you will get my money. But you and your bastard child will never – ever – see me again. Starting right now.”

I always just told them I’d be a father to the kid but they could go get f~~~ed, I wouldn’t have a damn thing to do with them. Every guy I’ve ever known who stuck with a woman because of an “accidental” baby ended up f~~~ing miserable with a woman that treats them far worse than the average woman treats a guy. You pretty much know for a fact at that point the woman is manipulative, deceptive, and a liar. You can’t even trick yourself into thinking you got a good catch at that point, she is the scum of all scum.

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Keymaster — Fri, 08 May 2015 15:30:42 +0000

Yeah when you’re red-pill truly honest with yourself (and her) about it, you break down ALL of this crap women put up. Being totally direct about this cuts right though her entire rationale and motivations. She doesn’t win. SHE loses. When women pull stunts like this, men need to make HER deal with it.

SHE did it.
SHE will pay and deal with single motherhood herself.
Bed. Made. Lie.

Gone are the days when I would look at a single mother and think “poor girl”. I don’t think I ever did, but you see my point. I feel nothing for them. It almost makes me giddy. In this kind of situation, an unwanted child is 100% a woman’s fault 100% of the time. And f~~~ her for expecting man to pay the 216 monthly payments for her greedy, selfish ass.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.