https://avpd0nmmng.wordpress.com/2013/01/23/the-many-failures-of-roosh/

PUA got exposed way back, then they just dressed it up with TRP, some new buzzwords, and “lift bro.” It’s the same losers selling the same junk to the old losers, although a bunch of dumb young men jumped in where maybe the now older men previously moved on. I don’t have sympathy for the new generation of sucker losers, because they themselves have no awareness and have evil little hearts.

More and more I think the internet is mostly worthless. I waste too much time letting these morons get their message out to me. At least in person I don’t have to allow pathetic fat f~~~s to talk to me.

If women weren’t so stupid as to sleep around so much, these losers wouldn’t even think they have a chance…because they wouldn’t. Right now they have something like a 2-3% success rate, mainly because of how unselective and loose the modern Western woman is. Instead of saving themselves and refusing bottom tier men, these women want to sleep around and then scream rape afterwards, in the hopes that higher quality males will ignore it. However higher quality men for the most part opted out. No amount of BS is going to convince high quality men to lay with damaged, used up low quality women. These PUA types hope to slide in because of that, but it’s pretty pathetic to watch.

The whole pua thing was created by insecure morons who need some kind of ridiculous “who f~~~ed more skanks” dick contest in order not to feel worthless.

The average pua is an empty idiotic shell that exists to find new ways to satisfy women, nothing else.
It’s funny how “not putting women on a pedestal” seems to be one of their most important points, but they don’t even realize that because they give sex such control over them, they actually ARE putting women on a huge goddamn pedestal.

“Spend your life chasing women, base your life around getting women, but don’t put them on a pedestal.”
Talk about being incoherent, seriously 😀

It struck me that his main method of picking up girls was getting them drunk and f~~~ing them.

Not exactly a challenge.

Maybe reading this guy is why older people who already hate men have made drunk sex a form of rape.

We all know that both parties are into this “game” but these idiots like this advertise it.

It struck me that his main method of picking up girls was getting them drunk and f~~~ing them.

Not exactly a challenge.

needed that, still laughing. You’re gonna put Ben Stein out of business.

I wonder how much of that (i.e., Toronto women being the worst) is truth, coupled with selection bias (seems no one here is content with women anywhere), coupled with Toronto being one of the biggest and renowned cities in North America.

PUA was a good way for men to start swallowing the red pill because those who join are super beta and already worshiped vaginas. It forces them to start to realize the true nature of women. PUA is now pretty old and has been replaced by the “Red Pill.” The “Red Pill” tries to met the extreme unjustified demands of modern women by self improvement. I disagree with this why I transitioned into MGTOW. The majority are proponents of spinning plates.  But there are still some who wish to find a wild horse and tame her into a unicorn. Who I just think are f~~~ing stupid.

RooshV isn’t a successful PUA after all. Why? Because he couldn’t get laid in several countries. Hell any true Pick up Artist can get laid in Toronto. https://avpd0nmmng.wordpress.com/2013/01/23/the-many-failures-of-roosh/

So, the only place he can have luck, is where hypergamy works to a man’s advantage to such a degree, that you can’t help but get a woman?  Sure, go to a third-world nation, have enough funds where it looks like you are a provider, and don’t be a psychopath, and you should be able to get a woman.  If this is “the game”, then “the game” is a lottery that doesn’t require skill.

The real “game” is life, where you develop strategy and have success.

Richard – excellent points. I’m curious though what you might have “against” PUAs? I’ve counted myself among them at times, although I suspect you mean the PUAs who wrap their entire self image and worth around their score number.

I found a group of PUA types here in Seattle who genuinely wanted to help each other succeed in getting laid or attaining whatever our sexual goals were, almost like a support group of wingmen. Not a competition, just a genuine feeling of being in it together, respecting the rules like whoever opens the set owns the set, etc.

Basically what I’m getting at is that I agree with you about the annoying PUA types who think a number makes them superior and all the other annoying behaviors, but that there are some worthwhile techniques there to help you get laid and we shouldn’t throw out the baby with the bath water.  Traditional PUA is getting quite stale though. For anyone that’s seen the movie “Kingsmen secret service” there’s a scene in there where they basically run through the whole “negging” thing and now it’s basically mainstream.

Poontang has always been a moving target. The whole roadrunner and Coyote series of cartoons was based on that – confirmed by its creator.

Just because we’re GOOW, doesn’t mean we shouldn’t get laid from time to time.  To make that easier/more efficient, I think we should develop a new MGTOW methodology where we leave ego and the need to validate/esteem oneself based on sexual “success” behind and genuinely support each other’s efforts, sorting the crap out from what actually works.

To me, that’s what the whole PUA thing was about, but somewhere along the line it got off track when assholes like the subject of this thread came along and tried to capitalize on it.  Doing so introduces the need to project a level of higher knowledge/authority for which the “uninitiated” must pay to aquire, and all the subsequent bullisht that’s given PUA such a (deservedly) bad rap.

How about it? Should we start a sub movement? We can call it “Men Helping Each Other Get Laid” or  MHEOGL for short?