I just wanted to encourage MGTOW to thoroughly explore these men’s videos on Youtube, (if you haven’t already). Their combined influence is beyond an adequate explanation. You’d could literally listen to hours of them every night for a year or more.

I’m 1.5 years into MGTOW stage 3 celibacy and have only begun to take in their exquisite content. I listen to Sandman’s daily redpill at lunch. In the evening, I lose hours listening to Stardusk (thinking ape tv) and Spetsnaz. I’ve only heard a little from Barbarossa so far but he is well articulated and funny as well. From what I gather, Neo Unplugged is also a brilliant chap living over seas. Of all these guys, I think BarBar is the only American. Sandman is Canadian, Spetsnaz is Australian I believe, Stardusk seems to have lived everywhere but sounds American, Neo seems American but lives far away.

Anyway, I could never briefly describe their positive effect on me. I’m certain there are probably more men like them. I specifically enjoy the deep introspection and exploration of human instinct. These guys definitely know their s~~~. Posers mgtows beware, when you post, we can see straight through your bulls~~~ and can see that you haven’t availed yourself of these mgtow contemplatives (Christian mgtow, Sexually active mgtow). You still are purple pillers IMHO. Enough said.

All I can say is that if you haven’t availed yourself of these sources, you are missing out big time. I’d thought I’d taken the redpill while only having availed myself of Sandman. Stardusk’s 5 hour compilation was like a redpill you truly can’t go back from. Then I stated in on Spetsnaz and was absolutely floored.

There’s just no going back now for me. I know too much now. Any convictions I previously had about mgtow were confirmed and dramatically expanded on.

Happy Listening and hope to here how these MGTOW revolutionaries have changed you. As a mgtow myself, I have built such a solid foundation of self esteem and respect for Men through the help of these guys’ videos, I just hope to tell others about it so they can grow as men.

Maybe you need to watch more of his videos, perhaps the video where he corrects all these accusations against him– “Are Gay Men Lucky?-MGTOW.”  

Do you see Stardusk or Spetsnaz burning Sandman? Has Barbarossa come out and taken a s~~~ on Sandman? No. If they have, I haven’t seen it.

It’s funny how the most insecure men, the ones who need to take advice the most, lash out like maniacs and jump onto cow-herd hate wagons against the MGTOW giants they once idolized. If their hero missteps or misspeaks or does anything human, his overwhelming positive contribution is thrown to the side and he’s branded a heretic.

F~~~ off with all that negative stuff. Sandman is still the s~~~. He turned his cheek, took all the heat and hasn’t skipped a beat. There’s a s~~~ load of haters. I’m a stage 3 MGHOW and have been for over 18 months. I refuse obvious female attempts to warm up to me, to try and entice me into a relationship or even causal fun. I just know too much and stay away entirely. No sex period. I’m not some PUA or anything and I’m not trying to brag, I’m just saying that I don’t sleep with or date women, period and I found no offense whatsoever at Sandmans Monks of MGTOW. He had a great point that was twisted against him by guys whose scars are apparently still too tender. No problem, when you’re ready to face your manly dark emotions without resorting to apathy, good to go. It’s a process of male grieving. I’ve been there and I worked past it. There’s people who are solely celibate because of straight-up hatred and anger towards women, directly linked to recent break-up. This is not the reason to not have sex. Even if they wanted sex, no one wants to be around these dudes who are on the verge of collapse from anger and resentment.

Nowhere did Sandman call men cowards who remain celibate. Nowhere did he encourage dating or befriending women. He called men cowards who refuse to deal with their emotions. Big difference guys.

HAS STARDUSK OR SPETSNAZ DENOUNCED SANDMAN? HAS BARBAROSSA DENOUNCED SANDMAN?

NO! THEY HAVE NOT.

So your little hater pals who make shoddy vids and fill their videos with weak ass arguments can go f~~~ themselves. I don’t give a s~~~ if Sandman invented a few donators, or that he accepts donations in the first place. I don’t care if he endorse social media that I don’t participate in.

Did it ever occur to you that a guy needs to still make a living and can’t freely give 40 hours a week making topnotch, informative mgtow videos? Did it ever occur to you that Sandman’s style and strategy is reaching across the web and gathering men who agree with our cause? Did you ever consider that Sandman is doing us a tremendous service; that we should be thanking him profusely for his successful efforts to grow mgtow? 

Beware the Lamiae wrote:

HAS STARDUSK OR SPETSNAZ DENOUNCED SANDMAN? HAS BARBAROSSA DENOUNCED SANDMAN?

So WHAT?!? People are free to think what they will, and to EXPRESS as they WILL! Do we need permission of Stardusk, Spetnaz or Barbarossa to call out who we think are detractors? NO. Everyone is free to form their own opinions. You can state your case defending Sandaman and that’s all you can do. People can agree with you, people can DISAGREE with you. But don’t give me this “approval by authority” bulls~~~! The fact that these people didn’t made a video calling out Sandman means NOTHING. Especially when there are plenty of mgtows that made videos DOING SO. Are you judging them by their NAME instead of their CONTENT?

And by the way, Stardusk (a.k.a Thinking Ape) made PLENTY of videos denouncing Sandman. Just search under his new name.

As for this:

Beware the Lamiae wrote:

Did it ever occur to you that a guy needs to still make a living and can’t freely give 40 hours a week making topnotch, informative mgtow videos? Did it ever occur to you that Sandman’s style and strategy is reaching across the web and gathering men who agree with our cause? Did you ever consider that Sandman is doing us a tremendous service; that we should be thanking him profusely for his successful efforts to grow mgtow?

This is very debatable, but I am just not in the mood and this type of discussion is not my cup of tea. Sandman is not my favorite youtuber anyway, and I unsubscribed from him sometime ago. His videos are just not worth it anymore. I just wanted to point out the logical fallacy of validation by authority happening here (or whatever the name is, I have a link for logical fallacies, but not with me right now).

My 2 cents.

Cheers

Sandman doesn’t need you approval or my defense.

But to deny his tremendous contribution is pretty f~~~ed up man. Seriously man, give this an unbiased perspective.

I’m also not the one calling someone a detractor bro, you guys are. I’m defending a pillar of mgtow. No matter if I agreed with all his views or not. I happen to think therapy is useless and that real mgtow’s are celibate. Just my opinion, to each his own way, but my opinion is in opposition to the views of the guy I’m defending! The guy is being burned for nothing.

I’m calling out the bogus hate this guy is receiving. But there is no denying that Sandman has rounded up many newbies to mgtow cause. Do many of the newbs outgrow it and move on, yes. But his contribution is obvious and he doesn’t deserve the heat. He was also misquoted! He also isn’t selling anything to anyone. He gets a donation. Are you saying he doesn’t deserve them? There’s also no proof that he ever invented a donator. Stardusk asked for donations too. So what? So what if some of these dudes use social networks? I bet all of you do too! I bet you guys will still date and pursue pussy. Am I wrong brother? There’s a whole barriage of claimed mgtows that are married or Christian. Wheres the army of haters calling them detractors. They actually f~~~ing deserve it, not Sandman who called out the men who haven’t addressed their anger and live in apathy. He called them cowards because they are f~~~ing cowards. They do need to move on. There’s an epic failure in critical thinking surrounding Sandman as well as an unqualified civil war against him (this website also didn’t help that situation but actually blew it up even worse).

Don’t get all hostile at me dude. I’m on your side, as a man going his own way.

Y’all say everyone has their own opinion but are the first to denounce one of our own. Bunch of hypocrites. And that wasn’t what this thread was about, but ofcourse, little assholes drop in just to sling around negative accusations and dick head comments.

I got here late, and I am not entirely sure of the whole discussion, but

With respect, since I’m not super acquainted with you, all of us should read entire threads before we post. Not to gloat but I always read the thread specifically because I don’t want to jump in like an idiot, or say things that have already been said or take the wrong side etc…

Im not trying to rag on you but you likely agree with me more than them. Sandman is just another mgtow, good bad or indifferent.

He certainly doesn’t deserve s~~~ like this, stated in this thread earlier…

Anonymous wrote:

F~~~ Sandman, he’s a mangina, and a heretic to MGTOW

Really?  Wow, thanks for the contribution to the thread. Who are you anyway Dolla_D? Have you even made one iota of a contribution to mgtow compared to Sandman. And the people who march in and take that guys side. Youre kidding me.

Why all the hate? Theres a lot of confusion and people who aren’t even familiar with the content of the these big names. I’m familiar with them and i know where they may disagree with Sandman. I listen to these men. But they aren’t trying to burn him at the stake or go out of their way to talk s~~~ about him out of nowhere, like the people did who came in here and destroyed a perfectly good thread.