I think one of the hardest things for a MGTOW to achieve is not to become one that we hate, we just define our current reality and our situations, but sometimes a MGTOW might get lost in what our goals are and become essential “women hater”.

What are your thoughts on this?

I think a lot of us bemoan the impossibility of having a family and having a son to pass down red pill knowledge to, but there’s just no way to justify it when you balance the risks and rewards.

If the law was not involved and an amicable end to the divorce did not allow any splitting of resources, no alimony in any kind, absolutely no financial gain whatsoever for either party then it would certainly force a woman to re-think her motivations and her ability to jump from one man to another based on his greater wealth or social status. It may very well result in even more unhappy, single, childless women because they wouldn’t be in a position to try and hook a guy and use him or at least realize the risk of p~~~ing a guy off by her behavior. If she behaved in a manner that made the relationship impossible and a guy could drop her flat without her having the leverage of alimony things might be different. I believe a man should support his child with resources, but unfortunately that opens up the door for lawyers to demand an unrealistic amount of child support that the ex would spend on herself after the child’s basic needs were met.

Of course it’s all a pipe dream, and if you have goals and passions that occupy your time and give you motivation to make something of yourself on your own terms, why the hell would you fall into a routine that takes that freedom away from you? If she starts playing the whole “you aren’t spending enough time on me” guilt game then what is the point of marrying her in the first place? It becomes asinine.

I personally don’t want to bring a child into this world because the world is a sick joke to me, as is the human condition.

I love women – but today I love myself more, and this is what I needed to recognize. Loving yourself more than another person isn’t misogyny. If a woman isn’t helping me, she is hurting me. Modern women are damn near useless when you pull your head out of her vagina. Most can’t cook, don’t clean, don’t want to do much in bed, get way too emotional in any intellectual debate, are not nice, not feminine, if she makes more money than you good luck in getting her to pay for much, have no hobbies…f~~~ing nothing bro. All the while wielding the gynocentric sword of doom that can slaughter your ass at will. There is no reason whatsoever to be with a woman other than vagina.

society has raised women to view men as tools

I’m not certain that’s the direction of causality there. It’s just as likely that women have always viewed men as tools and have manipulated society into allowing them to treat men as such.

Either way it only matters to the tools, not to men who don’t put up with that s~~~.

MGTOW might get lost in what our goals are and become essential “women hater”.

Nah. Woman hating is almost an alien concept to MGTOW. I’ll use the bear trap analogy. Say there’s this big bear trap. It’s dangerous. It’s unpredictable. It could go off at any moment. It has a big mouth with pointy teeth that look rusty and crusty with the remains of former victims and are probably dripping with disease. Is this bear trap something you’d want to stick your dick into? Of course you wouldn’t. Is it something you’d encourage other men to stick their dicks into? Of course you wouldn’t.

Finally, do you hate the bear trap? Of course you don’t. It’s just a bear trap doing what bear traps do. You might avoid the bear trap and warn other men against its dangers, but hate it? That’s just silly.

We can not please women. We never will. It’s built in to our species that they are takers and we are givers. The exceptions are as rare as winning streaks at a casino, and equally as brief: The casino always wins in the long run.

“…absolutely no financial gain whatsoever for either party then it would certainly force a woman to re-think her motivations and her ability to jump from one man to another based on his greater wealth or social status.”

ChaosOverAll nailed it, and unfortunately it’s not going to change in the near future, it is what it is.

Think this through in a “left side of the brain” manner.  Is it better to be truthful, logical, and happy to see things for what they are, or to imagine  something that doesn’t exist-in order to be temporarily happy?

It’s just part of the adjustment. The trick is seeing it coming and act. Pump some iron, go skydiving, p~~~ someone off 😆

It will pass my friend. We forget about the hell we’ve been through and stupidly remember the good time.

Think about how you got here. It wasn’t because your life was wonderful now was it?

Men can love, women can’t. We hurt because we can love not because we can’t.

You are here because at some point you were driven here. You done this or that … didn’t work. You ran here and there …. no luck. You tried everything in your power and it failed.

This IS your safe place. There is nothing to miss or pine about. It’s all in your head and in the fembots smoke and mirrors.

You are after something that doesn’t and never did exist.

Be mgtow, make your world and be king of it.

I don’t hate them, I dislike the things some of them do or how they operate.

It took me 9 years to become indifferent to female/relationship/”love” they define/ agenda at this point, and If I had this website it would be way faster probably, but different.

I came to this ‘mgtow monk’ state naturally through thinking and observing. It was a discovery for myself, by myself. I didn’t ever read any books on human behavior.  And to find this website felt like ultimate Birthday Cake at the end of already chosen road.

I would advise going on with your life, thinking things over, listening to music/art/whatever and doing things You love, and taking it easy.

Never forget to relax. No need to rush the thinking process over not as simple subjects as humans/society. That would be my advise, from my POV.

We are complex beings, the road to enlightenment (and That you Define for Yourself. As well as yourself) is a bumpy one, and seems never ending.

Its only natural ups and downs.

PS. It’s interesting for me how an MGTOW website can accelerate the thinking process over this matters, to people who didn’t think it over before, and how what they feel would change in seconds maybe. Thats why I don’t rush it.

PPS. Also it feels like Im evolving in to some e-preacher sometimes.

Good luck and all the energy to you, to rise and help your kid evolve and be life ready, and think for himself. Love Rocky movies for the life lesson quotes btw.