Out of sheer curiosity, I also decided to ask another site that deems themselves “Red Pill,” but not necessarily MGTOW.

Here’s the difference:  While both sites were telling me it’s because it’s merely because she’s not interested in me, THIS page was telling me it’s because women are deceptive and will lie to get out of anything just because that’s their nature.  You guys were honest and to the point, and “lovingly” blunt (which I appreciate, by the way).  The other site instead focused on telling me “it’s because you’re ugly.  Do something about your looks and she’ll be coming to you”, “make more money, then you’ll be drowning in women”, “you dried her up because you’re not interesting enough”, and so on.

The difference between the two:  This site is more “it’s not you, it’s women that are the problem.  You do whatever YOU want to do to better yourself.  Disregard those wenches.”  The other is “do what the women want, and you’ll be a cool dudebro like us.”  You guys came off a lot more welcoming and mature, while they felt like I was in high school again dealing with a bunch of white knighting jocks that called themselves “red pill.”

…And that’s why I’m still here now.

Men here at MGTOW have a more realistic (and physically healthier) approach – i’d say stick with that one.

My decisions I make now are to better myself instead.

Good plan!

I think women are what would make it a long and “winding” road it many dead ends.  It’s a long road, but it’s no longer winding.  It’s much more straightforward.

The single life is SO much simpler.  I was food shopping today and I was casually eaves dropping on a youngish family (the girl was a moosepig) and the poor guy I have seen around my town from years ago as being a bit of a “player” picked up a jar of something and told her (his moosepig) “I love this stuff” and went to put it in the trolley, until the Moosepig had a meltdown *at* him and went on and on about how he can’t be selfish because they are a family now…

Seconds later, she sees a different jar (a pasta sauce) and she says “Oh I love this one though” and she puts it in the trolley.

At first, I felt sorry for the guy.  Then I felt smug and DEEPLY happy at how single I am and proceeded to do my food shopping with EVERYTHING I LIKE!!  My hardest decision I have to make every day?  “When shall I have a cup of tea?”

Simplicity is beautiful.  As you say about these “RPINO’s” @Megachris%, they make their lives SO much more complex trying to juggle multiple women, learning advanced “game” etc.

The result:  Not being able to choose your own jar of pasta sauce.  Not only is your manhood threatened, but now your groceries are in the firing sights…

Her behaving like that has caused me to consider upping her rent by about $100 a month.

The funny thing is that “Red Pillers” call themselves Red Pillers even though they don’t see women for what they are. In reality, MGTOWs are the real Red Pillers because they know the true form of a woman.

I, for one, agree with the MGTOW philosophy because I know the value of surplus labor capital. It means that instead of giving 95% of my paycheck to my wife/gf to spend it on whatever she like, I’ll spend it on myself buying fine whisky, cuban cigars, and latest video games. Same goes for my time, instead of spending it to impress her or help her with chores, I’ll spend it on things that give me pleasure (including making myself a better man).

That’s why I’m here and not on r/TheRedPill. I don’t think any woman is worth our time or money.