A bit of background….. I’m a 42 year old father of an great 12 (nearly 13) year old boy.  Since taking my first red pill and following it with the appropriate doses of red pills, I’m clearly seeing him being indoctrinated into blue pill society.  He’s starting to mimic blue pillers and I’m trying to get advice from fathers that have been through this already.  He’s a bright, articulate, smaller than average yet good looking kid.  He makes friends fast and girls like him.  He’s doing just fine in many aspects yet I can see him adopting the neediness that I had for years.  He seems to have a need to seek approval from girls.  He had his first “girlfriend” this year at school (7th grade).  She, being a 13 year old girl from a divorced home, came replete with all the drama and subversion of grown women.  I saw it when she broke up with him.  She said she didn’t trust him, thought he was lying about something, blah blah blah.

His mother is a vain, controlling, emotionally unstable narcissist.  She’s very into her looks and the outward image she projects to others.  What others think is of the highest importance to her although it never seemed to matter what I thought.  She loved to ask for my input on decisions and then disregard my thoughts and go with her own ideas.

So, to the purpose of my post:  What is the right approach for a red pill father to pass down this logical approach to life in general, and to women, specifically, to his son?  Is there a right way and a right time to broach this subject?  I’m sure there is both a right way and a right time.  I just can’t figure out for myself when and how.  So I’m asking for stories from you all as to how and when you did it, if you did it at all.  If you decided not to at all, why?  (I doubt there are many in this group that have decided NOT to since this can be a life or death issue.  Literally).

Any input welcomed here.

Mind you, I have only my experiences growing up to base this on. I have not tried to raise a boy of my own.

The 21 year old is fairly purple pill.  I say this because he will consciously tell you that he doesn’t trust women overall but is looking for a unicorn.  I have taken him as far as I can with the red pills.

I have talked with him about a vasectomy, but he says he is holding out for male contraception.  I believe that this is either trepidation on having his unit permanently fixed, or he wants to be available for the unicorn.

RoyDal wrote:

Therefore, first and foremost, be an example. I’d keep my edifying lectures to a few short sentences.

Sage Advice.

The 12 year old.  I have had conversations with him on the following subjects.

In the not so distant future, your mother is going to start talking about grand babies.  You don’t have the responsibility to procreate because of what she says.  You have too many things to accomplish in your life to even think about kids for the next 15 years or so.

You don’t have to get married.  You first responsibility is to yourself.

If women are equal, then they don’t need you to open doors, carry their things, or for you to give them money.

Women want babies and they need a man’s support to accomplish this.  You don’t owe any woman babies, let alone financial support.

His mother is a mind game playing, control game playing, wheedling, hen pecking, immature adolescent that cannot think beyond her middle school vision of what a family should look like.  When I see him acting like his mother I call him on it.  The conversation usually goes something like: “Do you like it when your mother talks to you that way?  If not then why are you talking to me or his brother that way?  You are old enough to start examining your mother’s and my behavior and decide what aspects you agree or disagree with.  If you disagree with the way either your mother or I speak to you, then you should not speak that way yourself.”

The 9 year old.

He has expressed that he wants a family already.  The only thing that I can say to this is “You can worry about a family after you turn 30”.

Final word.  Confront the issues head on without using jargon of blue pill, red pill etc.  While you would save your son that pain of what you have been through, one day he will be grown man and have to make his own decisions and mistakes.  Hopefully his mistakes will be near misses and they can reflect on the lessons that you have taught, and the lessons that his mother has taught through her example.  Then the lesson will be driven home.  The best you can hope for is to be prepared to catch them should they fall, be supportive, and have a spare bedroom ready.

When he is older, college age or so, suggest he have male contraception implanted.  Pay for it if you can.  If he is incapable of making babies then he can have first hand knowledge of some girl trying to fake a pregnancy to get at him and his money and resources.

Lastly.  As they mature, try not to be overtly judgmental.  This will alienate him and drive him away from you.

Let him have his say, and discuss issues with him as though he is an adult but using the language a young person can understand.  He will appreciate this as I assume that his mother talks down to him.

Remember, he is a future adult despite him being a child right now.  He will be an adult for the majority of his life.  Childhood, while a time of fun and freedom from a lot of responsibility, is a time for preparation for adulthood.

Never reject.  Question behavior but never a child’s personality.

Boys absorb their father’s behavior as if by osmosis.

Make no apologies for the red-pill-life; you are teaching him to be a man. I takes strenth to stand up to this blue-pill-world; do it with a smile. Sure you will get criticized and confronted; but that is what stone walling is all about.

I’m looking forward to seeing 2nd generation mgtow boys evolve. They will have a wealth of knowledge we had to learn through trial and error. They will be able to take this to new levels we haven’t even imagined yet.

they are likely I’m looking forward to seeing 2nd generation mgtow boys evolve. They will have a wealth of knowledge we had to learn through trial and error. They will be able to take this to new levels we haven’t even imagined yet.

They are surrounded by women and a few ignorant men who were in their place and manginas….they have little or no contact with thier fathers,  the future looks bleak and as our government grows in proportion with new technologies and methods to indoctrinate and covertly control us….im sorry I dont share your optimism.  I kind of want to believe war is the answer…Im at a loss here, the s~~~s to complicated to out of hand, but ive been in war and also sat through a kangaroo court hearing where baby mamma fake cried and lied to through her teeth as the judge didnt look into any of my evidence – and took my kids from me-and I would rather be in war than to go through that, then to go through this!!!

Machiavelli wrote:

they are likely I’m looking forward to seeing 2nd generation mgtow boys evolve. They will have a wealth of knowledge we had to learn through trial and error. They will be able to take this to new levels we haven’t even imagined yet.

They are surrounded by women and a few ignorant men who were in their place and manginas….they have little or no contact with thier fathers, the future looks bleak and as our government grows in proportion with new technologies and methods to indoctrinate and covertly control us….im sorry I dont share your optimism. I kind of want to believe war is the answer…Im at a loss here, the s~~~s to complicated to out of hand, but ive been in war and also sat through a kangaroo court hearing where baby mamma fake cried and lied to through her teeth as the judge didnt look into any of my evidence – and took my kids from me-and I would rather be in war than to go through that, then to go through this!!!

I feel the same way.  I see little to be optimistic about.  I think it will all lead to some kind of catastrophe in the future.   I’m just going to separate myself from the unenlightened and watch the s~~~ fall apart as I keep going my own way, no matter where it takes me

Also show him some MGTOW type movies. Try to find some movie that depicts women abusing her husband (these movies are extremely rare, but try to find it anyways.)

I don’t have a lot of advice, but try these.