This is the first time I’m posting in these forums so please forgive me if I’m putting this in the wrong place but it seemed fitting with a general philosophy discussion centered around MGTOW. I’m pretty new to this whole MGTOW thing and while I won’t go so far as to say I’m definitely MGTOW, I find the discussion highly enlightening and I agree with a lot of the things MGTOW stand for. I just don’t believe that marriage is completely out of question for me, this is the only reason I won’t outright say I’m MGTOW.

Anyway, I saw this video today and viewing it through the lens of MGTOW it made me question some things. In general, it seems (and correct me if I’m wrong like I said I’ve only been digesting this material for a few months) that MGTOW regard Alpha’s and in general protecting women in a derogatory light. Then I see this video and wonder if the action the man took was right or wrong from a MGTOW perspective. Here is the video if you want to see it:

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For those of you who don’t the basic gist is, a man is in a waffle house and he sees another man hit a woman. It’s unknown if he actually knew this women or if it was just some random chick, either way after seeing the woman get slapped he got up and proceeded to shout at the man trying to entice him into a fight. This is what I would call typical Alpha male behavior and I’ve engaged in it myself in the past, it’s just a natural instinct for me personally to try and protect weaker people from stronger people be it man, woman or child. Even looking at this situation through a MGTOW lens I have to agree with the man’s actions and feel I would have done the same and I wanted a veteran MGTOW’s perspective on how they would handle this situation. I’m honestly asking here because so far from what I’ve seen in the MGTOW community I get the feeling people like Sandman, thinkingape and razor would say let it be and I’m not sure I can agree with that. But I could be wrong, maybe they wouldn’t and that’s why I’m asking.

Your thoughts are appreciated.

Tony

Since I don’t even know the back story, I stay the f~~~ out of it.
Like who gives a s~~~?

Some OTHER guy hit a woman? I don’t give a s~~~. So why do you? It’s between them.
I wouldn’t be caught dead near a scene like that.

The desire to get involved in a scene that’s got nothing to do with you is kinda silly. Let’s say a woman is beating the s~~~ out of a guy. Are you gonna “protect” him? You’d probably laugh inside like everybody else. So why would you “protect” her???

MGTOW isn’t just about “not wanting to get married”.

It’s not just a “logo” or 5 letters that don’t mean anything.
It’s about going your own way and ejecting s~~~ that like from your life.

If you feel compelled to “protect women”, then that means you don’t think they can “protect” themselves.
That’s treating women like an inferior. F~~~ that. Women are “equal” remember? She can protect herself. Have a nice day.

(Hint: the key phrase in there is “women are equal remember?”. I don’t actually believe that,. But THEY do. Let them fend for themselves.)

Equal from a rights stand point doesn’t really apply when you’re talking about physicality right, if some dude weighs a hundred pounds he doesn’t lose the right to vote simply because he can’t beat the s~~~ out of someone who weighs 200 pounds. The two are not intrinsically linked. Similarly if a woman is getting slapped around by some dude, you could really just sit there and watch that and just not care? That mindset is very foreign to me and I don’t understand it. The only explanation you offered is some vague misguided notion that because she’s a woman and believes she is equal in terms of rights that somehow qualifies her to get her ass beat by a dude. And of course repeating yourself in saying that you don’t give a s~~~ and don’t understand why I do (you repeated this numerous times). I can tell you why I do, because I don’t like to see weaker people getting beat up by bigger people who (at least from an outside perspective) don’t deserve it.

Oh and in terms of “Going your own way,” if my way is to not sit back and watch a weaker person get bullied and beat up by a much bigger person is my way, doesn’t that qualify as going my own way? I thought the point of MGTOW was to not participate in Gynocentrism and I don’t see how the man’s actions in this video somehow upset that belief.

This is why I put it in the philosophy section because it seems like a deep question.

And you’re interested in “protecting” that s~~~????

You see my point. And you’re right: “Equal from a rights stand point doesn’t really apply “.

Exactly.

THAT”S why I don’t give a s~~~ about protecting her. Protecting my OWN sovereignty comes first – above all other things. That’s the MGTOW perspective you were asking about. It’s right on the “about” page. It’s not just my response for the hell of it. No good deed goes unpunished, pal. That’s not just a saying. If you think you can step into that scene, be the hero and not do some kind of damage to yourself, you’re mistaken.

Only in a complete skewed reality do you think you are in a position to “protect” her.
She can do more damage to you, no matter HOW big & strong you are.

Tonyc4444 wrote:

I don’t know if this is my upbringing or simple male nature

Neither. You’ve been SOCIALIZED to think this way. In every facet of life through every fiber, conversation, the media and subtle imagery…. you have been taught “eggs are expensive & sperm is cheap”. She’s a poor helpless “victim”, and your role is to “protect” her even if it means DYING. The entire “system” us set up for you to think like that. They are COUNTING on you to think this way.

Titanic. War. You name it. You’re job is to “protect women” who you think are “weaker” than you. Well, knock yourself out and BE. MY. GUEST.

This is a good part of why you “don’t identify with MGTOW”.
The entire fundamental concept has not been accepted by you.

You’re still interested in getting married! A MGTOW knows that’s like legally – and financially – committing f~~~ing suicide.

In both situations, you’re not actually “protecting women”….
You’re doing damage to YOURSELF.

but I don’t think I could sit back and watch somebody small get bullied and beat up by somebody else

Well neither can I. That’s HUMAN. And it’s HUMANE.

Now ask yourself…. are the women you wish to “protect” as humane as YOU?
You don’t even know anything about her or the situation, and you’re willing to protect her.

But no woman who doesn’t know you gives a S~~~ about YOU.

Ok, but that contradicts what you said earlier about it being programming. Whether a woman would go out of her way to protect me or give a s~~~ about me is irrelevant to the question, the point isn’t to return some sort of favor or intent, it’s to physically keep a smaller and weaker person from being harmed and bullied by a bigger person.

I’ll also point out that we don’t know this was her boyfriend, in fact looking at this particular video I’m assuming it wasn’t her boyfriend because I don’t see her in the clip anywhere and usually if it’s a boyfriend their close by.

I have DE-programmed myself. Understand?

Tonyc4444 wrote:

Whether a woman would go out of her way to protect me or give a s~~~ about me is irrelevant to the question,

No it’s not. It’s TOTALLY relevant. I already said thats’ WHY I wouldn’t act.
She doesn’t give a s~~~ about YOU, so it’s perfectly reasonable to not give a s~~~ about HER.

In what universe is that irrelevant?

it’s to physically keep a smaller and weaker person from being harmed and bullied by a bigger person

OH yeah? And what exactly are you doing to protect yourself from being bullied by a SMALLER and “WEAKER” person?

(You don’t have to answer that.)

The problem here is you think women need “protecting”. You think they are “smaller and weaker” than you. So are asps and rattlesnakes. But what’s gonna protect you from HER? Look, I understand you don’t agree. This is clearly not be the forum for you. This is a forum for Men Going Their Own Way who don’t need this explained to them.

You’re refusing to accept my answer because I didn’t give you the answer you wanted. Too bad. I know what you wanted to hear. You wanted to hear some s~~~ about “alpha” this and “alpha” that. “NO WAY MAN !!!I WOULD HAVE TOTALLY BEAT THAT MOTHERF~~~ER MAN!!! YOU DON’T F~~~ING HIT A WOMAN EVER, MAN!!! YEAAAAH!!!!! ROCK ON DUDE!!! I’M ALPHA BRO!!!”

F~~~ that.