For obvious reasons, I’m all for equality. I think that women are just as capable, mentally, as men.  There is very little difference between a female scientific mind and a male scientific mind—either one could discover the cure for cancer! However, equality only goes so far. Men are stronger than women, generally. I’m a skinny dude, admittedly, and a female body builder could snap me in two like a stick. But most women aren’t body builders—they’re standard, small-framed women with little to no constitution and strength. That’s just the way they’re made! So, no, they should not be on the front lines of wars, they should not be working in environments where strength is key (building roads, constructing skyscrapers, tunneling mines). If a woman IS capable of performing, physically, alongside an average man, THEN SHE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO SO! But they are the exception, not the rule. I’ve personally known female construction workers, managers, and veterans who routinely excelled and succeeded among their male peers. Sometimes they even bested them! How or why? Simply, they strived to be the best person (human being) they could, regardless of gender. That is equality!

The modern feminist agenda, though, is not about true equality. I may be a gay man, but I’m still a man. I’m offended by the onslaught of images and portrayals of men as buffoons, the mere butt of women’s jokes. I’m actually less offended by gay jokes (most of them are quite funny, to be honest) than I am by the assault upon masculinity and maleness. I may not be the Alpha Male masculine archetype, but I do legitimately have a penis.

MGTOWers don’t hate women simply because they’re women. We want women to be successful, fully realized human beings who contribute as much to society as men do! Sadly, most women don’t actually want that. What most women want is to have their cake and eat it too. They want “to be taken care of” but also repudiate the very mechanism(s) that allow that to happen. The perceived and/or real misogyny of the past has been replaced by misandry, which we’re not allowed to speak of and cannot ever have validated by the media or power brokers. Light your torches and sharpen your pitchforks, ladies!

In the dark ages (you know, the 1950s), a woman most likely didn’t have a job of her own or financial independence. It made sense that a man, who did have a job, was expected to pay for the dinner and entertainment of a date. Nowadays, though? It’s still expected, and you’re a douche if you don’t, but it’s unnecessary. Women today do have jobs and financial independence. I won’t even start about engagement rings!

Exactly as I refuse to feel personally guilty and liable to any minority for the prejudiced deeds of my forebears, I will not heed the aggrandizement of “patriarchy” and the perpetual victimhood of women as just reparations for an oppressive past I did not facilitate and most modern women did not endure.

Marriage really is just for gay people now. We didn’t destroy the “sanctity” of it, though, women did.

Although I literally have even less use for women than you do, I stand in solidarity with you. As a man, I will fight alongside you. I have recruited for you, opened the eyes and minds of several straight male friends. Gay men are still men and we are your allies. We don’t appreciate being emasculated any more than you do.

“In the dark ages (you know, the 1950s)”…..

That was hilarious.

Women were much happier back in the “dark ages”. They have never been more miserable than they are today.

Welcome to mgtow and enjoy the forum.

’ve never even had sex with a woman! I know, I know… How do I know I’m really gay then, right? Ha ha.

No. We wouldn’t ask you that question. You don’t need to personally murder someone to know that it’s wrong. Right? So you don’t have to sleep with a woman to know that you’re gay, either.

No, I’m not trying to “recruit” you. HA!

We know that. Even if you were, it would fail. You can’t “convince” someone to want to have sex with a man just a woman can’t be talked into truly wanting to have sex with a man either. Attraction is not a choice.

I’m all for equality. I think that women are just as capable, mentally, as men.

Well unfortunately your opinion has little to do with it.

So what, she’s “capable”. Being “capable” is not the same as DOING IT.
A woman is “capable” of reaching for the check when the waiter drops it too… but she doesn’t actually DO it.
Nor does she WANT to do it or think it’s her place to do it. She just says “WOMEN CAN DO ANYTHING MEN CAN DO!!”

Yeah. But they DON’T. So who cares if she CAN?

These are some of the things MGTOW have already carefully thought out long before arriving here.

If a woman IS capable of performing, physically, alongside an average man, THEN SHE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO SO

Being “capable” is not enough. She has to be willing to DO it. So why do they pretend they’re not “allowed” and they are “oppressed”?? There are no line ups of women waiting to dig ditches and lay railway tie. This whole “women are not allowed” and “woman are oppressed” bulls~~~ FAILS the moment you walk through this MGTOW doorway.

In all other ways, thank you for making an introduction!

I tip my hat to you, sir. You are a man ahead of your time.

It has been pointed out before, once the feminists “get their way” with straight men – they’ll be coming after the gay community. At present they are uneasily allied with large segments of the gay community against ‘the patriarchy’ but a woman’s alliance only lasts while its directly serving her purpose. Their ultimate aim is the complete domination of everything with a penis.

I have to agree warhar: it’s open warfare on men, hetero or homo. You’ll notice I don’t call myself “gay” because that whole “community” has been coopted into lumping homosexual men in with lesbians, drag queens, etc etc. What I call the “effeminatization” of that “community” has been relentless, and the political watchdogs are on the prowl constantly for the slightest deviation from “gay orthodoxy.” What? how can you be a homosexual and opposed to “gay marriage” or “women’s rights” and all that. Without trying to seem arrogant or anything, the feminazis are even more afraid of real homosexual masculinity than they are of heterosexual masculinity, for we see them for what they are without having to learn through bitter sexperience. So they’ve turned the “gay community” into this loud, obnoxious, phylogenetically-impaired cultural swamp that tramps about half-naked (or worse) on “pride day” and shoves obnoxious “Gay” behavior into the faces of parents, children, without any courtesy or sensitivity to straight people whatsoever, demanding “equal rights” and shouting down anyone who disagrees with their feminized vagenda. I for one, am ashamed of it, want no part of it, and want a real homosexual community again where men can be men and go to a bar and not have to deal with one feminized twink, one drag queen, one lesbian, or anything else feminine. I’m sick to death of it. I know homosexual men that boycott “pride” day because they’re ashamed of it. We pay our taxes, think the sexualization of young children is repellent and abhorrent, think feminism is a cancer on western civilization, and support you.