Any thoughts here? Does anyone care here to have a bunch of followers?  I believe part revolt to the whole “neomasculity” thing being pushed, besides it being repackaged PUA, is there is an implied “do this to be alpha”.

So, your thoughts?

I did a video based on the original pondering of this, and am likely moving beyond it.  Someone who would, for example, be seen as an Omega, take ownership of their life, and not worry about it, and go their own way.  In short, leave the power structure completely.

Here is the video if you are interested:

I realize that, I am going to offend someone, even if I try to tip a hat that I may be.  I was just concerned I was bungling Hebrew in the video.

The alphas viewed as more valuable is a women driven phenomenon.

Like most cults and high pressure sales tactics, they’re also taught to alienate and abuse others that don’t join. This is a tactic that’s used by scammers for get rich quick seminars too, the people that won’t sign up and waste their money are shamed and excluded. The smart ones laugh and leave, making sure to cut off the cult members. The stupid people join the cult. PUA is the same, all the doofuses that try to join are free advertising for the “gurus” even if they don’t pay.

But anyway, there is another term that the PUA gurus will admit to and which enrages them. Just classify yourself as a Sigma and smirk at them. That drives them into rages and they lose their entire facade. In truth, this has been exposed many times, but it’s like that wage gap myth, it still persists. PUAs have very low success rates, even the gurus fail most of the time and when they succeed it’s a 6 with self esteem issues, not the 9s and 10s they want you to think it is. Most wind up marrying used up carousel riders in their mid to late 30s after awhile, because to them that’s better than ending up alone their entire lives and they realize that what they’re doing isn’t what they’re selling, and they’d rather take even that over the whole cold approach or spinning plates fantasy.

Anybody see Godzilla 2014? That is an “alpha”. “Monster Going His Own Way”.

It’s nothing to do with Bride-zillas, and “seduction” couldn’t be any further from his mind.
It doesn’t define him. Tell him he’s not an “alpha” and he will just laugh while throwing flames at you.

In the film, there is another monster (PUA ) who is obsessed with breeding. He spends the entire film trying to bang the female of his species. Thinks he’s “alpha” but his entire existence – and motivation – is based on whether or not he can hit that s~~~.

To a “Monster Going His Own Way”…. “alpha” and “beta” are totally irrelevant.

Keymaster wrote:

My definition of “TRAD CON” was not say trad-con views are wrong and declare tradcons should be ejected. It was only to illustrate what people *MEAN* when MGTOW use the term in a sentence. Like “alpha” or “beta”. We don’t actually subscribe to those (female) definitions, but we use them to talk about certain behaviors and mentalities.

For example, when I talk about “that beta”, I am not implying I am a definitive “alpha” who is speaking negatively about him – because even the most “alpha” of us has been guilty of beta behavior on occasion. Both labels are bulls~~~. But it’s a good way to encapsulate certain behaviors with a couple of words and everyone knows what we are talking about.

Keymaster wrote:

When you really think about it, MGTOW are the TRUE alpha males.

(@sidecar gimme a break. Pick up a mirror, man. You have your game and head on right.)

You see the latest Godzilla movie? 2014. Battle between Godzilla and the “PUA” monster on a mission to breed. Godzilla is the alpha / MGTOW character. So is Han Solo. Indiana Jones. Jaws. Clint Eastwood in anything except Bridges of Madison County.

What women perceive (or define) as “alpha” or “beta” is a goddam joke. Even our own glossary admits we don’t subscribe to any finite classifications of these… but the terms are used to describe a certain type of BEHAVIOR – or ATTITUDE.

It’s much easier for a guy to say “Omg I was a such a beta back then” and have other men here know exactly what he’s talking about… but he wasn’t really. He was only socialized to BEHAVE that way. Alpha males don’t even care about this s~~~ and we don’t really either.

When an alpha’s woman f~~~s around on him, it’s not a reflection of HIM. It’s a reflection of HER. But then the Manosphere pretends “if you were truly alpha she wouldn’t screw around on you” and that’s complete bulls~~~.

The Alpha cares about his survival, contentment and well being.
Pussy is a minor distraction and annoyance.

But the pursuit of women / vagina is not an “alpha” pursuit at all. We know this because “breeding” is not the highest level of success for human males. It requires little or no skill, intellect, ability – or talent – than any of the other great accomplishments of men. Impregnating a female PALES in comparison to ,say, inventing and creating air travel, the automobile or the internet. THOSE are alpha pursuits.

Attempting to figure out “what is alpha and was is not – if you are and if you’re not” isn’t.

Not giving a s~~~ is a pretty good indicator.

I am sure there are more but I am out of time right now to search.

And it pops up elsewhere:

http://www.avoiceformen.com/sexual-politics/bye-bye-alpha-male-and-hello-zeta-male/

http://www.avoiceformen.com/sexual-politics/m-g-t-o-w/so-whats-a-zeta-male-anyway/

“do not waste your strength on women, on those who ruin kings.”

The context of the thought is a MGTOW goes his own way, on his own, and for his own end, thus alpha and omega.  Anyhow, it does appear this was discussed before (the man going his own way, and what letter fit), even before MGTOW was MGTOW.