The MGTOW phenomenon can not be tied down to a specific creed, because by its very nature it is RELATIVE to each individual man.

However, I often read posts on here in which men think that the entire male/female dynamic, laws, and the world will be changed by MGTOW.

I dont buy it.

Its true most younger men are opting out of marriage, but Ive encountered those very same men acting like supplicating pussies to try and get some tail. They might not marry, but they will play the bitch to get pussy. Which only solidifies the problem.

I sometimes read posts on this forum from the perspective that society will colapse as a result of MGTOW. That women will be overthrown of their power. I simply dont see that happening. Im being a realist, and Im not discouraging anyone from their own pursuits, simply stating the obvious as I see it.

Its not going to happen.

Men LOVE pussy. Nothing wrong with that; the unfortunate aspect is that we pay too much for it.

MGTOW is an inspirational ideal, in that we dont compromise beyond a certain point just to get our dicks wet, and that we recognize other men are feeling the same as us and being manipulated.

I just realistically draw the line on a few key points:

1. Were arent going to make ALL men become content with never having sex again at the price of giving women the middle finger. Not going to happen.

2. Society isnt going to collapse over MGTOW. It might collapse because of the immoral society we live in, but it wont be because men collectively decided NOT to be with women.

3. As much as I hate to say this: men want pussy more than women want dick. Dont accuse me of being some chick here. Im a dude and as much as I DETEST womens behavior, I love pussy.

My point in this post is: Im with you guys to an extent, but I dont understand how some of you HONESTLY post about:

Men bringing down society, by GHOSTING.

Dont get me wrong. If I thought we were capable of doing that, then SIGN ME THE F~~~ UP!

I simply dont see a logical argument for it.

As for me?

I agree with almost all of you on your perceptions of women. I dont treat them the way I did in my youth.I wont pay for them, or treat them special.  But Ill gladly welcome them in my bed, because Im a dude, and I like pussy.

My two cents fellas.

I see young people in the early 20´s in Sweden all over the place getting in to serious relationships/marrying and starting familys, girls dream of kids and young men dont know what else to do. They dont have a clue that there is another way. They are not happy but they seems to be ok to start familys with whores who f~~~ed all their mates and the entire local soccer team.

whores who f~~~ed all their mates and the entire local soccer team.

Ughhhh…

Dude, that is So grotesque. If this site helps any man from doing that, then it is well worth it.

The rest of them … pfttt

Trying to change the world / collapse society, or whatever – I will leave that to the more politically minded.

Ancientwisdom wrote:

. Were aren’t going to make ALL men become content with never having sex again at the price of giving women the middle finger. Not going to happen.

Something absolutely catastrophic like a World War / Nuclear Holocaust etc would change the world much more drastically then for every guy to become monks.  As much as women do my head in, I believe they are a “necessary evil.” Using MGTOW as an example – if there were no women, then who or what would be our “common enemy?”  Would we turn on each other?  Would we have a world wide bro-mance?  Would we innovate and engineer to make our world better and improve?  And what about the element of competition? A lot of competition is done (in my opinion on a base /biological instinct) in order to “impress women.”  Without competing, how would men “better” themselves if there was nobody to impress?

Becoming a monk or “ghost” as AncientWisdom puts it can’t be healthy – rather then retreat, why not utilise knowledge and experience to better navigate your every day interactions and dealings with all people?  Have the confidence to stand by your convictions even if you are the only one in a crowd – moral courage.

What is more powerful?  Running away from the world where nobody hears your opinion?  Or staying in the loop and despite external pressure from friends / society, you stand up for what you believe?

I am sure there are many points where my argument is flawed, but quite simply, MGTOW for me is very much “creating my own reality.”  If everyone committed mass suicide tomorrow, I would just get up and make myself a cup of tea and get on with what I want to do.

THIS ISNT WHAT MEN DO.

We SPEAK OUT. WE MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

Let me ask you “GHOSTS” this: the bag checker at your grocery store…Would you notice or care if they were gone?

Disappearing into the distance causes nothing more than your own isolation and depression.

YOUR.VOICE IS VALUABLE.

AND.

NEEDS TO BE HEARD!

If you isolate yourself, you are by default stating your opinion isnt worthy. IT IS!

Tell it to society.

Do you think your value is tantamount to a ghost?

F~~~ that!

Speak and be heard!

We are the SILENT MAJORITY.

You want to be a GHOST?

Thats something I wont sign up for, because ghosts are immaterial and have no consequence.

If everyone committed mass suicide tomorrow, I would just get up and make myself a cup of tea and get on with what I want to do.

If….if…if…

That’s precisely my point: too many “ifs”.

IF my aunt had a penis shed be my uncle.

Too many “ifs”.

Lets discuss reality.

“IF” society collapsed.

“IF” men had equal rights.

“IF” women lost value.

Who gives a f~~~ about “IFs”?…

I didnt intend for my post to be too antagonistic towards you. I was drawing off of a line of thought. Also, I replied prior to you editing/adding more to your reply.

I appreciate youre input.

Thank you.

whores who f~~~ed all their mates and the entire local soccer team.

Ughhhh… Dude, that is So grotesque. If this site helps any man from doing that, then it is well worth it.

GOOOAAAALLLL!!!

lol sorry couldn’t resist…

Ancientwisdom wrote:

whores who f~~~ed all their mates and the entire local soccer team.

Ughhhh… Dude, that is So grotesque. If this site helps any man from doing that, then it is well worth it.

GOOOAAAALLLL!!! lol sorry couldn’t resist…

LOOOL! That was funny bro! 😛