I urge all mgtows of all ages to stay in shape or get in shape. You do not need to be a Luimarco, but you shouldn’t be 30+pounds overweight either.  Being male, we can lose weight rather quickly.  Just stop drinking calories and you will lose a few pounds in a few weeks.  Stop eating late and stop buying prepared food.  Be aware of your caloric intake and you’ll lose a lot of weight in short order.

You all should aim for 7 minute miles, being able to do 50 sit-ups, and 50 push-up.  No need to have monster biceps, cut abs, or having monster quads.  Just be fit.  I hope many of us mgtow are mgtow because of their experience with women rather than not have experience with females.

I subscribe to the idea that a mgtow is a man that pushes woman away, rather than is pushed away by women. We can never change a system that doesn’t care that obese men are not participating, I bet if Brad Pitt shunned women away the world would take notice.  Develop a healthy body and be a mgtow that women want to be with, rather than a mgtow women never want be with.  This is the only way to change the system and if it doesn’t work at least you all will have your health, which isn’t a bad consolation prize.

Being strong both mentally and physically is a key to getting the most out of life.  Being fully content and confident in yourself is the reward that comes with going your own way.

I’m not pushed away by women, nor do I push them away. I just walk through through the market with a full belly – my desire for companionship is completely satiated.

Myself wrote:

Being strong both mentally and physically is a key to getting the most out of life.  Being fully content and confident in yourself is the reward that comes with going your own way.

Well said and I concur.  As far as you being content no doubt that comes from self confidence and being content with yourself. Which one of the many aspects mgtow men grow into or aspire to. Yet I’m finding a small percentage of mgtow lack the inherent confidence a strong body brings.  Its wonderful they’re working on breaking away from women, but they never truly broke away because they were never desired.  Judging by your post and replies your a person who can articulate themselves and I want to propose a challenging set of questions to you.

Can an undesired male be a real mghow?  I’m not implying the man needed to be in a f~~~ed up relationship which drove him to stay away from women, no matter how undesirable he is. Rather he can’t get women, can he be a mghow?

Mtow’s are afforded a considerable amount of free time, is it acceptable for any of us to be grossly unfit?

Lastly a question not referring to fitness.  Does the mgtow community lack the brother hood aspect?  As in if a mghow got into a position of authority do you believe he will be inclined, within the limits of the law of course,  to promote men within that agency?

I was going to slaughter Borg goats I raised for meat, but they were too friendly and became like dogs. Who could butcher their own dog, then eat it?

Can an undesired male be a real mghow?

What does it mean to be “undesired”?  As far as I know I’m undesired with respect to great number of things.  As far as women are concerned I’m certainly not receiving anonymous love letters, and no one is calling me up asking to go out on dates. I’m sure I could change that if I wanted to, but what would be the point of putting myself out there, exchanging numbers, flirting, dressing in fashionable clothes, or any of  the other contortions required to be a social butterfly, if I’m just going to go my own way regardless? NOT have anyone desire me is exactly what I want.

On the other hand I do get a lot of calls asking me to place bids on projects.  So my particular set of skills appear to be desired by more than a few people, and some of them are women. I also put a lot of effort into making sure people get to know me for my skills – I put myself out there, exchange numbers, dress in fashionable clothes, travel around.  This type of desire is EXACTLY what I want.

… he can’t get women, can he be a mghow?

This is actually how a lot of women think – they are under the impression that because they have a vagina and a pair of t~~~ they are somehow entitled or deserving of attention.  Attractive women can become absolutely incensed if you refuse to give them any attention, make any concessions on their behalf, or otherwise decline to make them feel the least bit DESIRED.

Why should men get a kick out of being able to “get women” based solely on how they look? Real Men don’t need that s~~~ in order to justify themselves.

Mtow’s are afforded a considerable amount of free time, is it acceptable for any of us to be grossly unfit?

Some cultures see being fat or overweight as a sign of prosperity and contentedness – think of all those laughing Buddha statues.

That being said I would always recommend being reasonably fit, just because I see it as being integral to my personal happiness and I know it benefits many others – I would have a hard time believing anyone who says “I’m happier to be unfit and obese”.

If you know of an area where you can improve yourself, then it behooves you to make an effort to realize that improvement.  But that has nothing to do with MGTOW – that’s just part of my personal set of values.

Does the mgtow community lack the brother hood aspect? As in if a mghow got into a position of authority do you believe he will be inclined, within the limits of the law of course, to promote men within that agency?

No idea. MGTOW does not promote a particular political agenda.

Can an undesired male be a real mghow? What does it mean to be “undesired”?  As far as I know I’m undesired with respect to great number of things.  As far as women are concerned I’m certainly not receiving anonymous love letters, and no one is calling me up asking to go out on dates. I’m sure I could change that if I wanted to, but what would be the point of putting myself out there, exchanging numbers, flirting, dressing in fashionable clothes, or any of  the other contortions required to be a social butterfly, if I’m just going to go my own way regardless? NOT have anyone desire me is exactly what I want. On the other hand I do get a lot of calls asking me to place bids on projects.  So my particular set of skills appear to be desired by more than a few people, and some of them are women. I also put a lot of effort into making sure people get to know me for my skills – I put myself out there, exchange numbers, dress in fashionable clothes, travel around.  This type of desire is EXACTLY what I want.

I’d like to widdle it down if I may, since I left it to vague. Your response will allow me to hone in the question.  You don’t need to be a social butterfly to be desirable, but my question stems from mgtows that have no value (monetary , appearance, physical, skillset, personality, etc all falling under “assets”)  who withdraw into mgtow due to their lack of assets.  Are they mgtow because they opt’ed out or were they never in the running due to lacking.  What ever issues each person has, when it comes to women assets speak volumes.  So if a mgtow doesn’t have any assets to attract women is he a real man going his own way?

Mgtow implies the man is making his path rather than once chosen for him(blue pill.)  A path that rejected males have to go rather, isolation from women, than choosing it.

I say he can not, if a man has zero value to attract women how can he “opt” out if he was never accounted for. <span style=”line-height: 1.5;”> I’m not implying he needs to be a part of the game, rather he needs to be able to play. Its his choice to make if he participates rather than be excluded automatically.  I’ll write out the picture I see when thinking about this topic. </span>

<span style=”line-height: 1.5;”>Theirs a football game on the playground and women get to choose who is on their team.  These women go around picking their men to participate. The mgtow would be picked and he says, “No thanks ladies, I’m not into playing your game because (enter Mgtow female nature topics)”  While the men left behind scream “Yeah were not playing because mgtow! The guys that play are blue pills!” Are the left behind males real mgtow? Once again they never had a choice to participate, it was chosen for them. So how can they take up the flag of “opting out?”</span>

Myself wrote:

Does the mgtow community lack the brother hood aspect? As in if a mghow got into a position of authority do you believe he will be inclined, within the limits of the law of course, to promote men within that agency? No idea. MGTOW does not promote a particular political agenda.

That’s was I was afraid of, perhaps mgtow needs to promote a support system within its mantra.  I dare to say very few people within mgtow are mgtow by waking up to the world without some help from the wealth of knowledge on the net. Prior to the internet each mans battle was his and his alone.  Once the net came to prominence these men saw they weren’t alone and in time pockets of “male” resistance have popped up leading to mgtow and the overall criticisms of feminism.  It would be ideal that mgtow promote men helping each other beyond the internet world, granted it will need to be rather secretive.

my question stems from mgtows that have no value (monetary , appearance, physical, skillset, personality, etc all falling under “assets”) who withdraw into mgtow due to their lack of assets. Are they mgtow because they opt’ed out or were they never in the running due to lacking.

I get what you are saying, but it’s probably not a useful corner case to look at. Virtually everyone has some kind of asset.  It can be as simple as a sense of humour.  Given the right time and the right opportunity paths will cross and, all of a sudden, the guy who “wasn’t picked for the team” manages to score a goal.  The only question is how long are you willing to play, how long are you willing to let that game carve a chunk out of your life and sense of self worth?  I don’t blame men at all who just say “f~~~ it”.

I gave two examples of desire (being desirable as a potential mate vs being desirable as a potential business partner) because they are superficially similar (both can provide a sense of accomplishment and self worth), but fundamentally require you to play by very different rules in order to be successful.  In other words, there is more than one (or two) games out there.

MGTOW’s have the freedom to decide what rules, which game, provides them happiness and a sense of self worth.  You DEFINITELY don’t need to be able to “walk away from women” in order to go your own way.  It’s not US vs THEM.  It’s each man for himself.  Nothing more.