MGTOW"MGTOW Endgame" A Dangerous Fantasy? – MGTOW https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/mgtow-endgame-a-dangerous-fantasy/feed/ Tue, 09 Jun 2020 06:58:37 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=2.5.14-6684 en-US https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/mgtow-endgame-a-dangerous-fantasy/page/310/#post-63184 <![CDATA["MGTOW Endgame" A Dangerous Fantasy?]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/mgtow-endgame-a-dangerous-fantasy/page/310/#post-63184 Sat, 06 Jun 2015 20:32:21 +0000 schizoaffective So, after spending sometime watching videos by the likes of Sandman, Barbarossa, and Thinking-Ape, I noticed they all share the view that MGTOW, if widely adopted, would cause the destruction of Western Civilization and that this is a good thing.

Firstly, fortunately, I don’t think this could happen and here’s why: 1 man can can impregnate something like 15 women a month. This means that even if 50% of men become MGTOW, society can still prevent a demographic crisis by increasing taxes and increasing welfare spending for single mothers. Women make up the majority of the voting population MGTOW would be powerless to stop it.

Secondly, I question WHY all these prominent members of the MGTOW community are calling for the downfall of civilization. We’re all dependent on civilization for the lifestyles we lead and the many luxuries we take for granted. Intentionally causing an economic collapse by not having children seems irrational and vindictive. Why cut off your nose to spite your face?

What do you guys think?

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/mgtow-endgame-a-dangerous-fantasy/#post-63193 <![CDATA[Reply To: "MGTOW Endgame" A Dangerous Fantasy?]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/mgtow-endgame-a-dangerous-fantasy/#post-63193 Sat, 06 Jun 2015 21:04:12 +0000 Burgundy No it won’t end in some Western destruction, male value will just rise up, supply and demand.

I have a feeling they will first make it harder on single men, before giving men better terms when it comes to family and being a father.

It will get worse before it gets better, more men will choose the path of MGTOW, before considering taking a bait, I guess the blue pills will be experimental subjects in those times.

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/mgtow-endgame-a-dangerous-fantasy/#post-63195 <![CDATA[Reply To: "MGTOW Endgame" A Dangerous Fantasy?]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/mgtow-endgame-a-dangerous-fantasy/#post-63195 Sat, 06 Jun 2015 21:07:43 +0000

1 man can can impregnate something like 15 women a month. This means that even if 50% of men become MGTOW, society can still prevent a demographic crisis by increasing taxes and increasing welfare spending for single mothers. Women make up the majority of the voting population MGTOW would be powerless to stop it.

Do you really think that if enough men go mgtow, and remaining men started to impregnate women, the welfare system would be enough to support all those single mothers and their children? How much would this increase of taxes be? Do you think that if this increase were to be too much, that would not be enough to cause some kind of abandon from taxes in itself from Mgtow? I mean, men can only give so much to the government until he had enough. There is no way raising taxes would make it up for men going Mgtow. Not only financially, but also, after those kids get older, you would have a nation of criminals.

Secondly, I question WHY all these prominent members of the MGTOW community are calling for the downfall of civilization. We’re all dependent on civilization for the lifestyles we lead and the many luxuries we take for granted. Intentionally causing an economic collapse by not having children seems irrational and vindictive. Why cut off your nose to spite your face?

Because civilization as it is today does not benefit men, while is totally dependent on men. WOMEN are dependent on the current system, men would do just fine. Besides, the situation is becoming so unbearable for men, that is desirable to watch everything burn then to be a part of it. How long would you stand being considered a criminal just because you have a dick? How long would men accept being controlled on every aspect of their lives (manspreadingm, manslamming)? How long would men be DEMANDED to give their sweat, blood and tears to keep society running, while being spitted on the face for doing so.

And no, it is not just the prominent Mgtows that are willing to see the current system fall, it is the majority. Or at least we don’t give a s~~~ if this happen. Why would we? You said yourself, that the government would be willing to increase taxes to support single mothers, instead of charge those same single mothers some responsibility.

So I say, if going my on way will make the system collapse, let it burn. Let it f~~~ing burn.

You can be a slave if you want.

 

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/mgtow-endgame-a-dangerous-fantasy/#post-63197 <![CDATA[Reply To: "MGTOW Endgame" A Dangerous Fantasy?]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/mgtow-endgame-a-dangerous-fantasy/#post-63197 Sat, 06 Jun 2015 21:10:30 +0000 herodeath7 I’ve always though that the “we want an end to civilization” quote (ironically) ends at the wrong place. “We want an end to civilization as we know it” seems like the more prudent phrase; this is something that can happen if half of the worlds male population (a quarter of the world!) effectively stopped contributing to the reproduction process. Cutting anything by a quarter would definitely contribute to some sort of long lasting change, and reproduction and sex are no different. With half the male population MGTOW, women will have to forgo the marriage contract, and completely endorse polygamy (too many women, not enough men), which might be enough to open the Mangina’s/blue-pillers/white knights eyes about the true nature of women, bring them (hopefully) to MGTOW, and change civilization as we know it.

We’re all dependent on civilization for the lifestyles we lead and the many luxuries we take for granted.

Just because we’ve been given some material luxuries from the civilization we live in (which can be taken at anytime by the selfsame civilization) doesn’t mean that we should completely submit to it. If we do, then how can the egregious errs of civilization be rectified (albeit that’s not really a MGTOW problem).

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/mgtow-endgame-a-dangerous-fantasy/#post-63198 <![CDATA[Reply To: "MGTOW Endgame" A Dangerous Fantasy?]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/mgtow-endgame-a-dangerous-fantasy/#post-63198 Sat, 06 Jun 2015 21:10:52 +0000 BritGHOW And having children that can be taken from you along with half or more of:
– Your past in the form of your hard earned savings
– Your present in the form of your home, your assets, your job and your reputation
– Your future in terms of your career and employability, your liberty and ultimately your life.
on nothing more than the whim of the woman you chose to have the children with seems irrational and stupid. The only thing I for one have cut off is the risk of a hell of a lot of pain later in my life for little to no gain now.

As for your example:
As taxes increase and more money is taken away from the productive element of society eventually that productive element will reach the conclusion that it serves no value to them to continue, then they stop producing and regardless of how many women one man can impregnate he cannot possibly support them all financially and at that point the whole house of cards will come crashing down.

The problem with socialism is eventually you run out of other people’s money to spend

When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/mgtow-endgame-a-dangerous-fantasy/#post-63200 <![CDATA[Reply To: "MGTOW Endgame" A Dangerous Fantasy?]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/mgtow-endgame-a-dangerous-fantasy/#post-63200 Sat, 06 Jun 2015 21:15:57 +0000 IGMOW (I Go My Own Way) I think if any man goes MGTOW as a tactic to change society, thinking there will be some sort of collective payout for going MGTOW, that man is going to be disappointment.  If a man goes MGTOW, for himself, and bettering himself, he will reap the rewards.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/mgtow-endgame-a-dangerous-fantasy/#post-63202 <![CDATA[Reply To: "MGTOW Endgame" A Dangerous Fantasy?]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/mgtow-endgame-a-dangerous-fantasy/#post-63202 Sat, 06 Jun 2015 21:19:22 +0000 BritGHOW Agreed richard, if a man wants to change society, the MRA movement is what he’s looking for, if he wants to live free for himself and is happy with the mindset that society may change without him, but if not that’s no great loss on his part, then I’d say you’re looking at a MGTOW in all but name.

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/mgtow-endgame-a-dangerous-fantasy/#post-63204 <![CDATA[Reply To: "MGTOW Endgame" A Dangerous Fantasy?]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/mgtow-endgame-a-dangerous-fantasy/#post-63204 Sat, 06 Jun 2015 21:21:10 +0000 herodeath7

The problem with socialism is eventually you run out of other people’s money to spend

I’ve always liked the fundamental ideas of socialism. Equality, Fairness, ‘Everybody helping everybody.” Women, however, replaced the second “everybody” with “me”.

There is no way raising taxes would make it up for men going Mgtow.

I wish the government f~~~ing would raise taxes, in an attempt to compensate for MGTOW. I’d become the president (beating out the “whores of New York and Bill’s Wife) if only to drop-kick congress.

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/mgtow-endgame-a-dangerous-fantasy/#post-63208 <![CDATA[Reply To: "MGTOW Endgame" A Dangerous Fantasy?]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/mgtow-endgame-a-dangerous-fantasy/#post-63208 Sat, 06 Jun 2015 21:28:36 +0000

I think if any man goes MGTOW as a tactic to change society, thinking there will be some sort of collective payout for going MGTOW, that man is going to be disappointment. If a man goes MGTOW, for himself, and bettering himself, he will reap the rewards.

I think if any man goes MGTOW as a tactic to change society, thinking there will be some sort of collective payout for going MGTOW, that man is going to be disappointment. If a man goes MGTOW, for himself, and bettering himself, he will reap the rewards.

Agree with both. But a man can also dream, can’t he? 😀

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/mgtow-endgame-a-dangerous-fantasy/#post-63209 <![CDATA[Reply To: "MGTOW Endgame" A Dangerous Fantasy?]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/mgtow-endgame-a-dangerous-fantasy/#post-63209 Sat, 06 Jun 2015 21:33:43 +0000 BritGHOW

The problem with socialism is eventually you run out of other people’s money to spend

I’ve always liked the fundamental ideas of socialism. Equality, Fairness, ‘Everybody helping everybody.” Women, however, replaced the second “everybody” with “me”.

Not just women.

The concept was sound. “From each according to their ability, to each according to their need” sounds fair in theory. problem is like most plans it didn’t survive first contact with the lazy, the feckless and those, men and women, who “need” a big house, a flash car, 50″ Sky TVs, kids out the ying yang and more but aren’t willing to work for it.

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