First, I don’t give a damn what anyone else thinks but it seems the more I read this site- the more I appreciate my life (I do whatever I want – bang whoever I want, have a good job etc) but when I try to talk to my parents or anyone else about my desire to NEVER getting married- they think I’m insane and/or gay (not that there is anything wrong with that)

Why is it that being divorced and having kids is more socially acceptable than never being married?  How can I phrase it to my friends and family to make them understand – this is who I am, I am happy, I can still have great relationships with woman and not get married, I love kids that’s why I’m lucky to be a great uncle- I don’t want/need my own, and I’m not gay!!!!

Thanks and glad to be apart of this group.. Seems like it’s the support I need that I can’t/won’t get from family and friends.

So what I do is just take the sexist approach (sexist in their eyes anyway).  I tell them how terrible women are and that I refuse to be bound to one.  Having been married and divorced already,  they know I’m not joking.  And when they say that I just need to find the right woman, I tell them no woman is worth that much effort.

2. You’re thinking about the church life.

3. You’re a lesbian in practice but not theory

Or …. just tell them to f~~~ off and go nag someone else who gives a s~~~.

If I want to take a week off work and Go hiking somewhere I do it.If I don’t like my job and I know it will take me a couple of weeks to find another I don’t worry about it.

I have money in the bank in my pocket and on the microwave.

If I wanna accept a job offer across the country   I do it.

Bottom line being single is a carefree lifestyle .If only I knew what a blessing I had 20+ years ago.

Love and sex are way over rated.

The rating system for romance and sex are utterly corrupted.

No thankyou I like being single and free.

Not that marriage has ever been anything but a raw deal for men, but you don’t have to go into that.

Why is it that being divorced and having kids is more socially acceptable than never being married?

Because it’s proof you’re not playing the game and buying into the bulls~~~. I know what you mean though. At work I’ve had probes about why I’m not married, and I say “Been there, done that, ain’t doing it again!”. I get acknowledgement for that, but I know it would be harder to explain if I never got married in the first place. The problem with explaining it even in simple terms like “I enjoy my freedom”, implies everyone else is doing it wrong in their minds. To them there is no “way of the individual”. You won’t change their mind on the way “life works”, which is what you’re asking. Most of us here would say, don’t even bother, use deflection if you can get away with it.

Brain Pilot has a lot of great responses for this sort of thing, so I’d look up his posts on this kind of topic. In a nutshell the most effective tends to be:

1) Self depreciation – “I can’t find a woman who will put up with me.”

2) High Standards – “I just can’t find that girl who’s perfect for me”. Inevitably this leads to a speech about how you need to make concessions and put up with a woman’s bulls~~~ and so forth. Otherwise it does seem to mostly work. Just keep raising the bar so no woman meets the standard, but you might be surprised at how low it remains.

I see parents shaming their kids all the time because they want grand kids, they want grand kids because they are bored with their lives.

My parents were realists, the world actually is overpopulated, and my parents have their own lives. My own parents told me never to get married and that they do not want grand kids, they feel women nowadays are greedy useless vindictive c-bombs, and they want what is best for me.

Explain the facts to the relatives, divorce rates, alimony, how about the fact about retiring at a reasonable age and living your life, if they don’t like it tough s~~~ for them.

All I have ever encountered is women who want me to pay for them, and if I am paying for someone to spend time with me then it is a business relations~~~, social prostitution is no longer part of my world.

Steve Jobs said “Don’t be trapped by dogma, which is living with the results of other people’s thinking,”

It is your life.

I am 36 newly born MGTOW and at the happiest point in my life. Have 4 siblings that are all married with kids.  1/4 of them seem to be happy at the moment. 2 of them wanted divorces , 1 sister who got divorced and remarried. ALL have KIDS I am an uncle 8x over.

If you are happy then there is no issue to feel shamed.

My guy friend who is married…..cant even visit my house for more then 3 hours and cant visit on the weekends, cant go out when he visits…all because he has no b~~~~ in the marriage. I can’t even visit HIM at his house… unless it is approved weeks in advance….. he has no friends since he has been married….

My bestfriend, cant even talk on the phone without his wife in the room,she snoops on him 24/7 including his emails,  so he can never call me unless she is out of the house (spending his money)  Just today he emails me (85% of my marriage sucks but 15% is great I only tell you about the 85%)  I can only conclude that 15% is the sexlife that he has had sense being married vs. when he was single and never getting laid but desperate to get married (ingrained in his head to get married by his mom)

I have always said to myself ever since high school that I would never want kids, and never get married and along the years have seen so much bulls~~~ from friends/family members and their marriages. Somehow I lucked out and never got married and finally realized how much of a scam it is for the male. It is no wonder why females WANT to get married to bad. So they are guranteed financial support for life and as most do, want a child, so they get both there dreams come true with all the safety nets attached with a marriage contract while the male gets some vagina visits when it suits the wife to allow the husband visitation. That’s all he gets.