I have committed a grave sin, I took a woman out.   Seriously though, I have been trying to go monk 100%.  So I meet this girl from the Netherlands.  We converse a couple times, she is here on a work visa as a live in nanny; I figured why not, I am bored, and its been a while, lets see if I still got the mojo.

So before I take her out she trumpets how independent she is, how she doesn’t need a man or want a man to buy her anything etc.  So i figured man, maybe this broad will actually mean what she says and follow through!  As a test I set my phone up to a timer to see how long the check sits on the table before she picks it up, offers to pay etc.

Well, it got to 5 minutes & 42 seconds and I finally took my money out and put it in the holder and gave it to the waitress.  The waitress was gone for 5 minutes then comes back, this bitch goes, “oh are you sure you don’t want me to get that.”  I thought to myself, yea nice delay, just proved my point, not taking you out again.  So we are walking out saying our goodbyes and I figure I am not going to see her again, so I said< “it was so refreshing to meet a women who is independent, pays her own way and means what she says.”  She has a straight face and says, “im not like American women who expect men to pay for everything.”  She caught me so off guard with that response my saliva went down my trachea instead of my esophagus and I started coughing, I waved and turned around as I coughed all the way to my ride.

So, $20 in gas, $70 in dinner and tip.  And it just reaffirmed what I already know, they are worthless, doesnt matter if they are American or not.

So to all you guys who are lonely and want to be with women, because some how you trick yourself into thinking NAWALT, YES, YES THEY REALLY ARE.

Please commence the flaming and I told you so.

“Ahh $70?  Not bad, here is my $35” and get that done and dusted.

If she doesn’t pay, that could be theft maybe (on her part.)  And as you say you won’t see her again, it wouldn’t have mattered 🙂

If she had challenged it – remind her that she said:

ComingInHot wrote:

im not like American women who expect men to pay for everything.”

Dating isn’t terrible, it’s just having the b~~~~ to stand up for yourself and NOT take s~~~ 🙂

If i ever get into the same situation somehow, I will remember your words of wisdom and try that.  I do think however that I have sworn off dating and women for at least another year +.  That $90 just really showed me nah, its not worth it.  I mean for the four hours I spent getting my ear talked off to, for $18 more that finances me another used superbike for a month.  1 month or 4 hours lol.

They just aren’t worth it.

Fermat, very wise interpretation of looking at the scenario and dating in general.

So, $20 in gas, $70 in dinner and tip. And it just reaffirmed what I already know, they are worthless, doesnt matter if they are American or not.

A $90.00 Annual reminder is far cheaper than a lifetime of child support and alimony.

You could almost say that it was an investment.

I have committed a grave sin, I took a woman out.

No problem so far, it’s no sin to date a woman.

ComingInHot wrote:

So before I take her out she trumpets how independent she is, how she doesn’t need a man or want a man to buy her anything etc.

Actually, this is a red flag. As you will soon learn, she means the opposite.

ComingInHot wrote:

So to all you guys who are lonely and want to be with women, because some how you trick yourself into thinking NAWALT, YES, YES THEY REALLY ARE.

Yep, it’s in their DNA to take, take, and take some more, and then they give you dirty looks when you run out of dollars.

If i ever get into the same situation somehow, I will remember your words of wisdom and try that.  I do think however that I have sworn off dating and women for at least another year +.  That $90 just really showed me nah, its not worth it.  I mean for the four hours I spent getting my ear talked off to, for $18 more that finances me another used superbike for a month.  1 month or 4 hours lol. They just aren’t worth it.

One of the strategies I employ for myself, if you go down the path as a “dating MGTOW” , is that I do truly and sincerely believe in myself, my abilities and hold a VERY large sense of self worth.  I will openly admit I am arrogant in this sense – I am 6ft 3, I work out, was an Ex soldier / boxer / rugby player and I whilst I am not AMAZING looking, I don’t consider myself ugly.  I am also doing very well in my career (self employed engineer and scientist) and so with all that, this gives me ammunition for MYSELF to feel HIGH VALUE.

MOST women project high “self value” by making their vaginas “super special.”  Well guess what, my c~~~ is “high value” and it won’t go in any old hole.  I pay my way, but I won’t pay for hers – that 50/50 split is “MY S~~~ TEST” -if they kick up a stink, then I will *not* date them again and I don’t give a flying f~~~ if they go mental about it.  They fail, my attraction for them tanks.  Game over.  I just refuse to lower my standards and self worth for that sort of behaviour.

Whilst this approach doesn’t always get me many women, the women I *DO* get are high quality and actually worth the time and effort – 95% of women I have dated since I have had this “attitude” are still good friends and are not a pain in the butt.

Value yourselves HIGHER and project this indestructible self confidence – it’s ruthless, it’s brutal and you will get s~~~ thrown at you.  But, as my dad once said:

“All through life you walk through s~~~.  It’s how you wipe your feet that’s important.”

Actually, this is a red flag. As you will soon learn, she means the opposite.

Very true. If she has to state that she’s independent, then she’s not.