https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbivore_men

The origins in American and European MGTOW are centered on socialist feminist dogma creating a male toxic legal system.  Also socialist feminists are responsible for the attitude shift of most western woman that men are walking wallets and only serve utility by serving unquestioningly women’s needs.

Western MGTOW walks away from this.  Its just too toxic.

Different origins. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbivore_men The origins in American and European MGTOW are centered on socialist feminist dogma creating a male toxic legal system. Also socialist feminists are responsible for the attitude shift of most western woman that men are walking wallets and only serve utility by serving unquestioningly women’s needs. Western MGTOW walks away from this. Its just too toxic.

Thanks for the link. This quote was odd to me:

“They are characteristically described as frugal, and interested in personal grooming.”

This sounds less like men going their own way, and more like men going gay.

Are there other/better explanations? I cant be the only one to interpret that statement that way. It also said men would rather eat grass side by side with wome…This was NEVER my understanding of MGTOW.

Im not saying they represent MGTOW, but Japan is always brought up. So I wanted to know why.

Anyway, what I read about Japanese men isnt reflective of me or what I think of MGTOW. Just curious why they are always brought up.

So, you definitely have a chance for, as big as the Herbivores are in Japan, MGTOW having an even larger impact on society, because the reasons are larger.  It isn’t just fixing the legal system here that will address MGTOW issue, but also the screwed up state of everything else there also.

By the way, side note, I am now looking to be landing some part-time temp retail work.  I hope I can keep the car on the road.

All western countries would be where Japan is right now if immigration were cut back. Death rates exceed birth rates for native citizens of western countries. The only thing covering it up is immigration. By bringing in more immigrants the countries are just kicking the can further ahead.

It does seem more and more that the world isn’t capable of actually solving it’s problems anymore, one of the things they frequently do now, is to kick the can down the road.

Durden wrote:

All western countries would be where Japan is right now if immigration were cut back. Death rates exceed birth rates for native citizens of western countries. The only thing covering it up is immigration. By bringing in more immigrants the countries are just kicking the can further ahead.

It does seem more and more that the world isn’t capable of actually solving it’s problems anymore, one of the things they frequently do now, is to kick the can down the road.

You really can only solve your own problems, and maybe do something extra to help others you feel are worth helping.  I believe it is normal to presume the world is going to fix things on its own, and that somehow it works it way out, as if there is some sort of utopian determinism at work.  What you can maybe do is make a dent where you are in the universe, and if it helps enough people, then that counts. Society is always kicking the can down the road.  Sometimes it gets kicked farther down than others.  Other times, the can gets kicked well, but then it changes shape, and goes places no one expected.  The can is existing.  Cure for the can proposed can end up killing off existing or at least existing the way people can live with.

I believe a bunch of modern frustration comes from seeing that, if only something were different, and enough people did it, then we would be better off.  This is then countered with the reality you have very little power yourself.  Activists think they can rally enough people to get politics elected who can pass laws, or change the values of society by collectively ranting and tumblring and so on.  And then you have the revolutionary who wants to burn the damn system down, and assume that a society without structures they tore down will magically become better, or presume they both can destroy structures and also lead the same people they hurt to actually work together under their banner.

And then, I see you have MGTOW, which ends up having individual men saying “enough” and they will work with themselves to get better and say no to a lot of the world, marriage, etc… and get stronger, and only get involved if society cuts them better deals than they get now.  If society can’t do that, then they aren’t involved.  I do speak here about MGTOW in a bigger framework, taking what is normally applied to just marriage, to other institutions.

“They are characteristically described as frugal, and interested in personal grooming.”

This sounds less like men going their own way, and more like men going gay.

There’s a LOT of misrepresentation of the herbivores. Most of it is an attempt at shaming. Some of it has leaked into wikipedia.

Im not saying they represent MGTOW, but Japan is always brought up. So I wanted to know why.

They are MGTOW. Here’s an analogy: A katana looks much different from a claymore. Which is understandable as it was developed from a different technology for a different kind of warfare. But both the katana and the claymore are swords. In the same way Japanese herbivores are MGTOW.

Ancientwisdom wrote:

“They are characteristically described as frugal, and interested in personal grooming.” This sounds less like men going their own way, and more like men going gay.

There’s a LOT of misrepresentation of the herbivores. Most of it is an attempt at shaming. Some of it has leaked into wikipedia.

Im not saying they represent MGTOW, but Japan is always brought up. So I wanted to know why.

They are MGTOW. Here’s an analogy: A katana looks much different from a claymore. Which is understandable as it was developed from a different technology for a different kind of warfare. But both the katana and the claymore are swords. In the same way Japanese herbivores are MGTOW.

By calling them herbivores, it is a definitely a way to shame.  It implies “not manly”.  In Japan shaming techniques are more prevalent, because of it being more collective in culture and unity.  But, things are so messed up there, that they felt the best option was to drop out completely.

It does seem more and more that the world isn’t capable of actually solving it’s problems anymore, one of the things they frequently do now, is to kick the can down the road.

The road always comes to an end, NO MATTER WHAT!

IGMOW (I Go My Own Way) wrote:

Society is always kicking the can down the road. Sometimes it gets kicked farther down than others.

All the rusting steel mills and manufacturing plants in America represent yesterday’s shiny new cans, look how that debacle ended, several more American cans are about to end in a rusty abyss

IGMOW (I Go My Own Way) wrote:

By calling them herbivores, it is a definitely a way to shame. It implies “not manly”.

I respectfully disagree, they adopted the name themselves, I believe it’s true inception is that they don’t eat meat, meat curtains, or anything their women have to offer, hence herbivore, a peaceful and non engaging animal going his own way and avoiding “meat” (pussy)… I’m a  herbivore if you look at it that way…