I see women used as status symbols a number of ways:

* The trophy wife: Here, a man of power and/or money, has a wife that is very attractive.  This is done to show a guy has power, and is a power player in society.  There is the wife part here, from a MGTOW perspective, that is just plain off.  But, how about the other side, the use of a woman as a trinket, to try to score points?  This said trophy can cost you a ton, particularly if you end up dumping her.  But the power guy shows his power and wealth by affording it.  And how does this enable other men?  This here is to put other men down, and gain power by putting them down.

* The token wife: I would say this is by politicians.  A guy running for office needs to wife and family, and needs to look like an upright citizen.  To get ahead, he looks normal.

* The social accessory: I am going to ask here to stop a minute and think on this.  Think about the advertising you see, the music videos and so on.  In them, a guy of success is measure by him having women around him.  He apparently has them fawning over him, and this is a measure of his manliness.  A man is supposed to have this, in order to show he is a real and a success.  See here the Most Interesting Man in the World ads, and the placement of women in it.  See the women in it?  See, he is validated as the most interesting man in the world, because he has women about him that are entertained my him.  He needs this to be validated, and validate to the world.  After all, it shows he isn’t gay at the least.  Here is one of these videos:

* Boasting of sexual conquests: Ok, you are a straight man, and the sex drive can be a bear for one.  Some guys will get women for sex, and that is understandable, and natural.  What I speak here is not that, but something like the last one.  In this, you try to be a player, have game, and you boast to other men how many women you have had, and who you got into bed.  You use this as competition.  It goes beyond just your own needs, but ones to show you are a “real man”.  You are defined by your sexual ability to seduce women.  In this, you get gamed by the system also, and play it.  And you use this as a way to put other men down.  Of course the “You aren’t gay, are you?” line gets dropped.  And insecure men take a beating by this, and do things they don’t want to do, to fit in, and be accepted, rather than do what they really should be doing.

Please feel free to share your thoughts below on this.  My feeling is all these are bad form for MGTOW.  I won’t say they can’t happen, and the are exceptions, but social pressure to do these I see as right out.  I see a MGTOW needs to gain status other ways.  I am calling it “bad form”, in that it happens, but really isn’t the best reflection of MGTOW.  Of course, who am I to speak for MGTOW, so other voice would be of benefit here.  My interest is guys go their own way, and not face shame and status, and this other BS to get in their way.

I see women used as status symbols a number of ways:

My first thought when a man has any kind of woman around as a symbol is HOW MUCH HAS HE BEEN PAYING FOR IT.

Usually the hotter the broad, the worse the personality, and the more you pay financially and emotionally.

Then I wonder how much abuse he tolerates, and that he time is coming, can he even sense the doom?

My next thought is to laugh.

Then. although I am not religious, I thank the powers that be that I am not paying for that abuse.

I have been know to hire an escort for these occasions.

It always f~~~s a lot of guys off that I’m always seen with a different beautiful young girl on my arm. I always introduce them as my ‘friend’.

I don’t f~~~ them either. So I get the job done, go home and carry on about my life.

When I’m asked where my sexy girlfriend is …. I tell them they weren’t good enough but I’ll have a better one next time.

You can buy status ….. but not integrity or character.

I hate to be captain obvious, no disrespect intended, but all the examples you used above are not done by MGTOW’s.

MGTOW’s don’t have trophy wives or the token wife or the social accessory.

I believe you are confusing the general populous of manginas, white knights who are aka hyenas, or beta males who are blue pill as people who practice MGTOW.  This is not the case.

Lastly, the most interesting man in the world does not have women by his side to show he is successful and he needs them, if you watch closely The most interesting man in the world is actually in my opinion a MGHOW.  He does falconry, races cars, he runs with the bulls, he fences, he is successful, sasquatch takes pictures of him.  Women come to him, he doesn’t go to them.  Its no different when you’re rich and gold diggers come to you and you bang them and dispose of them cause they are money hungry.

In fact, I dont think I have ever seen the same actress in those commercials next to him, if you take that for what it is worth hes a MGOW who sleeps with hot random women, good for him. Obviously I know he is an actor but the premise im arguing was if it was a real man.

I live again +1 sir on the mind f~~~ you create by doing the escort thing.  Great Idea.

You said “…My feeling is all these are bad form for MGTOW.” I hate to be captain obvious, no disrespect intended, but all the examples you used above are not done by MGTOW’s. <span style=”line-height: 1.5;”>

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Ok, here MGTOW would mean a guy who is a MGTOW, that him doing it doesn’t fit what MGTOW, the worldview/belief/ideology matches to.  I was going for a weaker for of, “Guy, don’t do that” because sometimes a guy may do that.

MGTOW’s don’t have trophy wives or the token wife or the social accessory. I believe you are confusing the general populous of manginas, white knights who are aka hyenas, or beta males who are blue pill as people who practice MGTOW.

In regards to what I wrote, this is mainly social norms, and media spin they use on defining what “real men” are, and men will willingly play along with it.  The PUA will also play on this, and alpha types will end up doing it to try to score with me, for status.

This is not the case. Lastly, the most interesting man in the world does not have women by his side to show he is successful and he needs them, if you watch closely The most interesting man in the world is actually in my opinion a MGHOW. He does falconry, races cars, he runs with the bulls, he fences, he is successful, sasquatch takes pictures of him. Women come to him, he doesn’t go to them.<span style=”line-height: 1.5;”>

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I was trying to show the parts where he had the women around him, as accessories/props to show how interesting he is.  I won’t say a MGTOW can have women in a group there, it just isn’t a priority.  I could of gone with Duke Nukem with women by his side to show how much of a “real man” he is.  The Most Interesting Man is the one that popped into my mind, as you see others in music videos and so on, the idea you have a woman as a prop to validate how successful you are.

Its no different when you’re rich and gold diggers come to you and you bang them and dispose of them cause they are money hungry. In fact, I dont think I have ever seen the same actress in those commercials next to him, if you take that for what it is worth hes a MGOW who sleeps with hot random women, good for him. Obviously I know he is an actor but the premise im arguing was if it was a real man. <span style=”line-height: 1.5;”>

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And I was just using it as one example.  I see it as something a guy uses to show how superior he is to other men.

Another example is this picture.  See, Duke is a REAL man, because he has women by his legs.  They are nice props to show how manly he is.

Duke with women.

My apologies Richard, perhaps after 40+ years of being told I had to be “more sensitive”, I have become overly sensitive to certain things.

I think men here have likely had a lot of abuse on the part of society, social norms and so on.  There is ton of manipulation, and one of those is “be more sensitive” also.  Another forum had a far worse reaction to me also, starting off with myself using “manchild” in reference to myself (no man should say that of themselves) and also things regarding wondering about a celibate life.  I am just trying to be on my own, a grown up adult (man), etc… and have a WAY different perspective on things, because I didn’t have to put up with the bull of women, and find that my own way filter means I don’t get a woman.

I guess part of my thought in this thread is what Herbivores of Japan say about their culture.  It isn’t just that they have issues with women, it is the whole “real man” rat race, drive to success and give into status they revolt against, and it isn’t just from women.  So, I am asking how much of it comes out of women being used in this as status.  It does appear I am getting real close to what women are saying here, and then drop one letter, and blam.

I need a blasted glossary of terms, damn it! 🙂

wind ’em up before they even get on the forum. if they press the female side of the switch, instead of seeing motorcycles touring the highways, have the female driving into her pit crew and doing it again,and then other female driver GIF’s driving like females and then.. the kittens…they’ll be so ticked, that when they get on site pretending to be male, they’ll blow up sooner.