Now here is the kicker:  He got all over my case for not supporting breast cancer awareness and not caring about the issue at all.  He was all rah rah in supportive of Jenner in the news, relating to Jenner as “courageous”, and a whole lot more.  He also managed to kick people off his friend list over the shooting and fires in Churches down south.  I would say a strong SJW streak there.   If not SJW, I see a White Knight streak in this, regarding women’s issues.  On Facebook, I had made mention for him to look into MGTOW, and he didn’t reply.

So, whatever is or is not MGTOW, I guess can depend on what one thinks about it.  Who am I to say anything here about him?  But, I figured I would discuss it.  I think there is now a period of searching for what MGTOW means, with the influx of more men under the MGTOW label adding his two cents.

On another note, someone else I know, he is still in a NAWALT stage, but he has given up on most women.  So, NAWALT can be considered a step.  He is holding out for the right woman, but isn’t going to go to women for validation. I told him to look into MGTOW.

He got all over my case for not supporting breast cancer awareness and not caring about the issue at all.  He was all rah rah in supportive of Jenner in the news, relating to Jenner as “courageous”, and a whole lot more.  He also managed to kick people off his friend list over the shooting and fires in Churches down south.  I would say a strong SJW streak there.   If not SJW, I see a White Knight streak in this, regarding women’s issues.

I personally disagree here with the “White Knight” label – for a start, it takes courage to publicly support something, especially controversial issues.  I don’t care if people worship an overlord hippopotamus or are champion basket weavers – if they have a passion for something then good on them for having the MORAL courage to stand up for their beliefs and to do what makes them happy.  The content of that belief, however, is of course judged and scrutinised case by case (at least on my part.)  Anyone who stands up for their belief system has my respect, but the content of the belief itself can, of course, be met with raised eyebrows.

Also – breast cancer can also affect men seeing as we have pectoral / breast like body tissue (I am not a biologist so I am open for correction here!)

Not everyone is ready to go MGTOW and trying to “force” people into something that they aren’t ready for will meet resistance.  It is for them to “find their own way” and it is for us to be there when (and if) they choose to take on board MGTOW philosophy.

And also, the whole “going your own way” – perhaps for him that is his “going his own way” – every MGTOW is different.  Some are more towards Tradon beliefs, some are Dating MGTOW, some have a sworn vengeance against females of the species.

If attempts are made to “enforce” a way of living on to someone else, then that doesn’t sound much different from what radical feminists / dictators / other individuals in history try and have tried to do.

What I can see happen though, is that some who have the MGTOW label get uncomfortable with what others using the MGTOW label do, and they want more uniformity in thought so the label won’t cause them shame.

I will present you a case of someone I know, that, when it comes to dating and marriage seems to be a prototypical MGTOW. He deals with women on his terms in regards to dating. He even posted on his Facebook wall how he would go celibate with this. I am thinking MGTOW all the way. Now here is the kicker: He got all over my case for not supporting breast cancer awareness and not caring about the issue at all. He was all rah rah in supportive of Jenner in the news, relating to Jenner as “courageous”, and a whole lot more. He also managed to kick people off his friend list over the shooting and fires in Churches down south. I would say a strong SJW streak there. If not SJW, I see a White Knight streak in this, regarding women’s issues. On Facebook, I had made mention for him to look into MGTOW, and he didn’t reply. So, whatever is or is not MGTOW, I guess can depend on what one thinks about it. Who am I to say anything here about him? But, I figured I would discuss it. I think there is now a period of searching for what MGTOW means, with the influx of more men under the MGTOW label adding his two cents. On another note, someone else I know, he is still in a NAWALT stage, but he has given up on most women. So, NAWALT can be considered a step. He is holding out for the right woman, but isn’t going to go to women for validation. I told him to look into MGTOW.

Your buddy is a flaming liberal…no cure for it, sorry…should have him put down.

Your buddy is a flaming liberal…no cure for it, sorry…should have him put down.

Nah, I have nothing against liberals. In fact, I believe falling in this right vs left, liberals vs conservatives dichotomy is a trap. Both can, and are, gynocentric, with women receiving all the benefits of men’s work. Different approaches for the same goal.

I see the pattern again rather than getting caught up in content. raising money for breast cancer is probably triggering the protection mechanism in him. hence the difference in approach to dating. I can’t say for certain as I don’t know him, but that’s my educated guess.

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I see the pattern again rather than getting caught up in content. raising money for breast cancer is probably triggering the protection mechanism in him. hence the difference in approach to dating. I can’t say for certain as I don’t know him, but that’s my educated guess.

If it was the just the breast cancer thing, that is one thing.  He had a family member who had it, so it was important.  It is just the ton of other things he is doing, that fall under the progressive/SJW that I see as making it harder to nail down what is “MGTOW” or not.  There will be projecting onto MGTOW what it is, and whatnot.

the f~~~ed up part about all of this is because our terminology is so scewed, people often don’t know where they stand.  but if you read and think about what i wrote above, certain things start making sense.  like why rand paul and ron paul are hated by the GOP establishment…its because they are not capitalists.  they are largely anarchists – or ‘liberal’ in the classical sense.  or why the democratic party pretty much failed completely to leverage the occupy movement.  those protesters were largely socialists who don’t realize it and were unable to conceive of a world where solutions could spring forth from anything other than the state.  ah well.  rant over.

your friend just sounds like he’s on hiatus.  the causes he’s championing are peripherally related to and in conflict with MGTOW…but i doubt he’s read atlas shrugged or knows about objectivism as a philosophy.  he may have even been actively discouraged from reading on the topic – that happens a lot in college these days i hear…universities more and more being places of the new religion more so than learning.  if you don’t understand objectivism and perhaps agree with many if not most of its tenants, you’re probably not going to agree with MGTOW.  most objectivists and like thinking people are going to think much of the media frenzy surrounding bruce jenner.  sure, the guy should be left alone to dress how he likes and even clip off his c~~~ so long as he pays for it on its own…but any free thinking person will see the media frenzy and overwhelming public support for his actions as little more than a political farce, meant for consumption by the part of the population with double digit IQ.