I met some new people and violated my rule to not go to clubs…

There was one spanish girl with them. She was quite attractive alhrough not exactly my type. And and the end of a night she made out with one of the guys (that previously proposed himself to other girl in front of her, but a very nice dude). They were kissing for about 20 minutes or longer. With such a passion. She was so into him. I just couldn’t stand it. I feel so bad about myself that I had to talk to someone. I talked to security officer for this 20 minutes (I had to wait for these couple because we all left something in her house) just to focus on something else… It was horrible.

It is not exactly fact that she choose him and not me. But this passion, how she touch him. You could see a pure desire. Well – I never got anything like that from any of my past girlfriends. Never. I just felt so inferior…

I am still kinda shaking, even considering fact that it happened few hours ago.

What is more I can attract women(I had some situation when women I desired gave me opportunities to have sex with them or at least pretended to). But my problem is… whenever I see that we can go intimate I face some invisible barrier – something is just saying inside me that if I will proceed with her and eventually have sex with her I will do a thing that is absolutely prohibited and is… like a crime.

Maybe this have some connection with fact that for most of my life I was living with my single mother(obviously I love her and don’t want to say bad words about her. It is just how it was). In the past I used to worship happiness of women and to be honest – I can feel in similar way to women… I don’t have a clue why I can’t change it but I simply cannot.

I feel so bad about myself – I feel bad that I am saying so much about myself and bothering you…

Can you please help me? I don’t really know how… But maybe

And yes – I am in my early twenties…

PS. You can call me pussy. You might be right. I can roughly say that I approached at least over a thousand people I don’t know, I did public speaking. I can approach anyone, anywhere. Maybe I am still a pussy, but at least quite socially one. Just when it comes to this situation…

PS2. You see I have thing that I want to dedicate myself to and it have nothing to do with women. It is a craft that I study and I love… I would love to just take a real pill that take away all my need for romance, lust, female approval etc. totally. And then focus on it.

Her not with you? That’s called life.

Life is full of this s~~~. What seems awful now will be a blessing in the future …. when you see her hit the wall.

Concentrate on making yourself happy …. not depend on others for your happiness.

You will never be happy on other peoples time.

Stop f~~~ing your life up for a woman. You’re lucky she left you alone.

Be very careful what you wish for …. you just might get it.

Get your s~~~ together and build you life for you … NOT OTHERS.

Make something of yourself …. and women will jump on your c~~~ while taking your wallet.

Be cool, relax …. there’s nothing wrong with you.

One is your pedestalizing (spl?) of women. It’s quite common without a serious long term relationship (my guess you have never been in one) to believe in exactly what our mothers and media tell us – treat women with kindness and affection and they will reciprocate. It’s perhaps better for you to accept that women desire sex as much if not more than men. Like every other desire or need they have, its nicely sugar quoted. Gynocentric media is there to reinforce that.

Second aspect and that’s where I couldn’t fully relate to your “still  kinda shaking” comment is that you would let some random woman’s action (or inaction) have such deep effect.

Take the worst case scenario. The guy she made out with was everything you are not. She saw in him what brought out the passion and desire in her. That from her perspective you could never have. What do you do? You get hurt from a girl who wasn’t your type in first place. What’s missing here?

You are seeking validation from a woman for the deeper human emotions that I sometimes doubt they can even feel but only mimic.

Did you make a move on her? If not, then it’s not like you were inferior at all. You have nothing to be irritated about unless you are mad at yourself for not making the move. Lose the “entitlement whoa is me complex” and you’ll be happier.

I was somewhat like that when I was younger. I thought because I am good looking, blue eyed, gym-toned, and have a dimple that chicks would just fall into my lap. But I noticed the dudes with game getting the chicks and I became somewhat envious. And then I had an epiphany when I heard a lyric from Heart of the City where Jay Z said: “Male shouldn’t be jealous that’s a female trait” and suddenly my b~~~~ dropped. And I manned up. And that’s that. I have not been jealous or envious for 13 years.

I read many MGTOW articles, analyzed society. I know that there is no love. I thought that I had overcome need for romance and sex. Now I know that I just put in cage and locked. But now cage is broken…

Anonymous wrote:

Take the worst case scenario. The guy she made out with was everything you are not. She saw in him what brought out the passion and desire in her. That from her perspective you could never have. What do you do? You get hurt from a girl who wasn’t your type in first place. What’s missing here? You are seeking validation from a woman for the deeper human emotions that I sometimes doubt they can even feel but only mimic.

She was attractive sexually just not my favourite type (i prefer very slim women, not curvy ones – but it doesn’t matter). Well I don’t really know. I am guessing that this is just her passion. They looked so wild and passionate when they kissed these 20 min (obviously I spent most of the time talking to this security guy not looking at them). After I was walking back with them they both were jumping and saying how happy they are.  In the past when I was younger I was not into all stuff boys liked (except metal music) – I loved romance stories, anime and movies. Well I think this is normal for a guy like me. Probably wild romance thing is just thing that I very deeply desire. Yet all women I was with either treated me like I matter nothing or make me jump through hoops many times before I got one short kiss or sex. In short I was a toy for all females I was with. I never noticed any passion in their eyes or lips…

I thought that I don’t need this for two years…

I am really mad myself that I waste these opportunities. I have a feel that I might run out of them. I probably will…

Cicero – I cannot get rid of some emotions at the switch of a button. I just suck as man and that’s it. I just need to feel…

Why I did not tried to kiss this girl myself:

1. As I said I don’t found her my type when we met. If I wouldn’t be on a dry spell I will probably never even notice her.

2. We were clubbing as a group but she was visibly into that guy and she spent most of her time with him. Also I was rejected multiple times in the past when I went for a kiss. All were quite traumatic for me… So If I will try to kiss her (in only moment available – when this guy went to the toilet) and she will not allowed me (She gave me no sign of being interested in me so…) and then after that she will kissed him I will probably start to feel really depressed.

3. I don’t wanted to became rejected because I was rejected to many times and I really don’t want to repeat that?

4. This guy consumed a lot of alcohol as did she and I was 100% sober because I don’t drink at all?

PS. You don’t need to tell me that I am an idiot. I know that, ok?

HateSweetLies wrote:

Probably wild romance thing is just thing that I very deeply desire. Yet all women I was with either treated me like I matter nothing or make me jump through hoops many times before I got one short kiss or sex. In short I was a toy for all females I was with. I never noticed any passion in their eyes or lips…

I will admit that is really uncharacteristic of a mghow. But the beauty of the beast is there are no strict boundaries or labels.

Having said that… lol I know … you want to fall in love and find passion in a woman’s eyes or lips. But ask yourself this, what do you have to offer for this passion? Cicero was right, “Lose the “entitlement whoa is me complex” and you’ll be happier”. If you believe that there is a woman who will love you for you and nothing else, and she will give you all your fantasies and what have you by being in relationship and love with you, then there are prostitutes that will give you the girlfriend experience. That’s the best one can get in this world. I would love to hear from someone who has lived a better reality.

With your introduction I could only decipher you want help in getting ass and using the wisdom from men here to get some.

I will admit that is really uncharacteristic of a mgtow. But the beauty of the beast is there are no strict boundaries or labels. Having said that… lol I know … you want to fall in love and find passion in a woman’s eyes or lips. But ask yourself this, what do you have to offer for this passion? Cicero was right, “Lose the “entitlement whoa is me complex” and you’ll be happier”. If you believe that there is a woman who will love you for you and nothing else, and she will give you all your fantasies and what have you by being in relationship and love with you, then there are prostitutes that will give you the girlfriend experience. That’s the best one can get in this world. I would love to hear from someone who has lived a better reality. With your introduction I could only decipher you want help in getting ass and using the wisdom from men here to get some.

Well you are right – I have nothing to offer. I am inferior to other men and that’s it. I would like to learn why is it like it but It is not okay to learn you because that will be using your wisdom to get pussy, right? Can’t you understand that this all thing is slightly more complicated than got pussy/didn’t get pussy.

I really put some faith in this forum as this is first time I said anybody so much about myself in the internet. I don’t want to get just ass because you can get it in multiple ways, not only by attracting girl in a club. I told you what I want.

And what I was hoping to get from you is wisdom how to stop desiring this thing. I gave you as many details as I could. I was trying to be 100% honest just to make it easier for you to tell me something. What I want is to get rid of these desire – not to learn how to feed it better. I want to just don’t give a s~~~ about romance. To get rid of all of mine delusions from years when I loved it. You can leave all your precious like gold tips of getting pussy to yourself. I just want to know how to don’t give a s~~~ about all pussies around and my lack of success with them.

Now I will decipher you iLearn – You want subconsciously to prove that you are just better than me and hope that you will be better mating option that I am. Well you are – was that a mystery from the beginning? You don’t have to push me down in order to became higher on social hierarchy ladder get more people to like you ok? I am not here to compete with you, yet you feel that I came to steal your precious secrets about women. You are saying that I am not a MGTOW (which is true – I am still developing on my way to it) just to cover your own weak spots. MGTOW are people – yet you still treat it like some sort of exclusive title like count or lord. I am not married and don’t want to and I am learning about social bias (don’t believe – check my other posts), I don’t do things for women, I don’t call men ,,gay” – so I have a right to take part in MGTOW community. Why to the hell do you have to use mgtow status as something exclusive in order to boost your ego?

I came here for help, and pretty much got to defend myself. Awesome, really awesome…

PS. If you want to use ,,stop playing victim card” – I am just pointing injustice, stop using feminists tricks in order to shame me ok?

I am inferior to other men and that’s it.

I am going to call you on that ‘inferior to other men’ nonsense.  It sounds to me like you are only young and inexperienced.  Quit hitting yourself!

You are seeking validation from a woman for the deeper human emotions that I sometimes doubt they can even feel but only mimic.

If you want validation(always temporary) from women, you must open your wallet, it is just another form of prostitution, does that give you self worth?

And here’s the kicker, even if you have lots of money to buy her validation, she will leave at any chance for more money, and how would that affect your self worth? It’s a society of social hookers.

HateSweetLies wrote:

one of the guys (that previously proposed himself to other girl in front of her, but a very nice dude).

This is a PUA move, ignore the target and she will try to chase you, he tried to work or show interest in the other girl just to make the target wonder what was wrong with her, make her jealous, and wonder why he wasn’t chasing her.