My friends disagree with my views and reject my criticisms of women and their behaviour.  Even if you point out and can prove blatant cases of anti-male discrimination or female privilege, they aren’t interested.  To criticise women is apparently misogynist by definition.  All I get is blue pill bulls~~~ or white knighting women generally.  I am questioning whether I want such people as friends any more when we have such a fundamentally different worldview.

My parents on the other hand, I don’t get to choose.  But they also disagree with my views.  My mother thinks I am wrong that ‘all women are like that’ and thinks I just need to meet the ‘right’ woman.  My father I’m sorry to say is an archetypal beta/white knight type who thinks I should do what he did, ie. get married, work hard, have kids etc.  To me, he isn’t happy and has never lived a fulfilling life so why would I want to emulate that anyway.  Plus I don’t subscribe to the concept of marriage or monogamy anyway, and nor have I ever wanted kids.

I don’t need other people’s approval to live how I want, or to think how I want.  However, having friends who disapprove and think you are an irrational woman hater who by extension must have something wrong with him (or just needs to ‘get laid’) is not something I feel comfortable with.

Have your views led to conflict or disagreement with friends or family and how have you dealt with it? Isn’t it frustrating when people can’t handle the truth and want to stay wilfully stupid and ignorant of it?

I was going to call him a simp, but the subject got changed somehow.

I have a very blue, purple pill friend that accepts everything I say, but he just reverts back to his old blue pill white knight behavior around women. On Saturday night, I explained “the wall” and how women hit it around 35, and he loved what I had to say, he found it informative and amusing. Then he ease dropped on some women and said to me that an old woman said “she could pick up and get it if she wants, to a younger woman”. He then went on to say yeah sure maybe some wino she could pick up off the floor. He still operates under that mental schema of woman are decent want a good honorable man to value long term security with. He agrees with the concept of Hypergamy, and is totally there in theory, but it seems the power of the pussy, instantaneously changes him back into a mangina white knight.
My father is good at establishing his own frame, and living by his own rules, but unfortunately he still believes in NAWALT, and is still looking for that elusive Unicorn, despite losing an absolute fortune in divorce, and now going out with a parade of women up to 35 years younger than him. I told him try going out with women without the displays of wealth and see how far he gets. He says that we are made to have children, and I should find my own unicorn, and have kids. I told him it’s just not possible in this environment. It doesn’t way up on a cost benefit analysis and the risks are far too great.
It is hard to find true “Red Pill” men to talk to, it is good being able to communicate in the MGTOW forum, Imagine MGTOW clubs, that would be great, getting together, talking about all the issues, so much knowledge is out there, it’s great to be here able to communicate on MGTOW, thanks to Keymaster and his allies.

My dad, I love him to death.  The thing that gets to me is that he’s still encouraging me to get married once the “right” one comes along.  He’s first-hand experienced the gynocentric courts, has been cheated on numerous times when he was married to my mom, was abused in more ways than one, and still wants me to experience it…WHY!?

Someone once pointed out that views on Religion are kind of like a penis. You may have one and you may be very proud of it. But it’s just not a good idea to pull it out and go waving it around it people’s faces. My views on women are very similar to this model. They are just not for public viewing.

The way I keep those well intentioned mangina, white knights and others who are trying to tell me how to live my life from actually succeeding in doing so, is to occasionally reassure them that I’m “…looking for the ‘right one’… but a good woman is hard to find these days…”. This is essentially truthful because I do actually look at women. And being extinct, a good woman really is hard to find… 🙂 .

This reassures them that they are ‘right’ and lets them believe I agree with them… and that serves my purposes very well. I get to maintain the interaction with those people without conflict over my views, without allowing them to pry into what those views actually are, and without pulling them out and waving them around. I have enough faith in my own ability to make decisions for myself and how I live my life that I have no need to get anyone else’s agreement or approval for my views.

Ultimately, when asked why I never got married, I’ll be able to truthfully say that I just never did find that ‘good woman’…

I am questioning whether I want such people as friends any more when we have such a fundamentally different worldview.

Excellent is the day when you have decided not to question it anymore and permanently eject them from your life.

Lucas Buck wrote:

My friends disagree with my views and reject my criticisms of women and their behaviour.

Good time to yawn.

Lucas Buck wrote:

My mother thinks I am wrong that ‘all women are like that’ and thinks I just need to meet the ‘right’ woman.

Of course she does.

Here is the BEST and most succinct way I have found to deal with that, and you will win the point EVERY single time:

Present your mother with an imaginary box of hand grenades…. open the box very theatrically (and carefully) and push it across the table. Tell her “Not all of these grenades will explode in your face. Some of them are duds. Go ahead. Pick one and pull the pin!! You just need to find a good one.”

“Whassamatter Mom? Not all grenades are like that!!
You just need to find the right one.“

Lucas Buck wrote:

I don’t need other people’s approval to live how I want, or to think how I want.  However, having friends who disapprove and think you are an irrational woman hater who by extension must have something wrong with him (or just needs to ‘get laid’) is not something I feel comfortable with.

Well, then… GET comfortable and accept that their approval is meaningless.

Lucas Buck wrote:

Have your views led to conflict or disagreement with friends or family and how have you dealt with it?

Most certainly, yes. It’s really quite simple: No compromise. If there is anything you don’t like about me, get out. Stop calling me. Stop emailing me. Stop telling me what you don’t like. I don’t give a s~~~ what you don’t like or approve of. I will never compromise who or what I am.

http://www.mgtow.com/audio/no-compromise-get-out/

Another way to deal with it is to take what they say, agree and amplify:

I agree. You have changed my views on this. I now believe in marriage. For YOU. Not for me.
After all who’s going to keep this ridiculous gong show going?
You have totally convinced me, there must be some diamond in the rough out there.
Don’t let anyone tell you otherwise. They’re just bitter.

Lucas Buck wrote:

Isn’t it frustrating when people can’t handle the truth and want to stay wilfully stupid and ignorant of it?

Not your problem.

I recently saw the movie CONTACT again (Jodie Foster, 1997). She is a scientist and not based in a belief orientated view of God or the world. The panel questions her and they say “90% of the world believe in some form of God….. and you’re sitting before us telling us that you believe 90% of the world is suffering from some sort of mass delusion. We can’t in good conscience send someone [on this mission] to represent humanity if they don’t believe in God”.

This is good time to point out there are more c~~~roaches in the world than people. It doesn’t mean they are a superior breed. The 90% who believe in something is no reliable indicator of what is TRUE.

Later in the film, after her experience, there is no record of it. There is not ONE shred of proof that she experienced anything at all. She travelled through time, and to her, 18 hours had passed…. but on Earth, her journey lasted 0 seconds. The same panel now hounds and badgers her for some form of evidence. The very same assholes who pretended “faith” was the determining factor in making the decision were now DEMANDING AND EXPECTING some form of PROOF that anything took place at all.

“… and now you sit before us, telling us this story, and you expect us to take it all ON FAITH???”

Faith was good enough BEFORE the mission … but not after? This blatant hypocrisy irritated the s~~~ out of me as I was watching it. They are not even aware of their own MASSIVE contradictions. You can’t reason with people like this. They are unable to see it. Its the most obvious thing to you and I, but they are oblivious. If you want these people in your life, then you will have to internalize it. Sometimes it’s best not to go against the world TOO much. Go with it. Go with the flow. Don’t fight the world TOO much. Let them go about their lives in total delusion…. and smile to yourself.

If you had X-ray vision , could see through clothing and read peoples thoughts, would you ever TELL them?

No. You just…. smile. Because you know something they don’t.

My views about women are none of anyone’s business that I don’t choose to tell. And while I may actually tell some, there is no one who is entitled to know what my views are just because they are curious. Therefore when they attempt to be intrusive by asking, I feel justified in being vague (which is preferable to telling them it’s none of their business).

Your approach may be the right way to treat the subject with regards to casual acquaintances or work colleagues.  But where friends and family are concerned, I dunno, I feel I ought to be able to be myself and if people don’t like it, it’s their problem.  I am someone who has a low tolerance for wilful stupidity, ignorance or bulls~~~ – about any subject.  Being ignorant may not be a crime, but when someone doesn’t want to learn, doesn’t care about facts and wants to stay ignorant, it is hard to respect that person.  And when they are your own parents, it’s difficult.  I’m not going to be cutting my parents out of my life because in some ways they are stupid.

My parents’ attitude is essentially that a man’s role is to find a ‘good’ woman and then spend his life pleasing her.  To them, if I have any problems with a woman then it must be something I have done wrong.  I just wasn’t good enough for her.  I didn’t do enough to please her you see?  I should have tried harder in my designated role of woman pleaser.  I’m someone who has never had a good job or earned much money, and funnily enough my most successful years with women were when I was unemployed.  I think I can honestly say that no women I was ever with, was with me for my money or what they thought they could get out of me financially because they knew I was broke – including at one time living with my parents as a man in my 20s.  (In my 40s now)

My parents both think, and especially my father, that I am a failure in life because I don’t have a good well paying career (indeed I realise some or maybe all here will say this is true anyway, I don’t know) and that I haven’t settled down with a woman.  It isn’t because they want what makes me happy and this doesn’t even seem to occur to them.  I tell them I *am* happy being on a low income which is sufficient to get by.  I am not ambitious about earning lots of money or stuff like that, never have been.  I value free time to do what I want, and I’ve arranged my working life over the years (or lack of working) to accommodate that.  The concept that I don’t care about earning more money to ‘attract a woman’ and that a woman who wants me for that reason isn’t a woman I want anyway, doesn’t compute with them – they just think I’m in the wrong.  In that regard my parents are like women, both of them; they can’t be reasoned with if they ‘think’ they are right about something, even if it’s demonstrably bulls~~~.

I think I need new (or no) friends for the sake of my sanity and happiness.  As for my parents, I love them because they are my parents and they aren’t bad people.  They do try to be supportive of me.  It isn’t easy to visit them and to sense their general disapproval of me though.  Or if they bring the subject up, not merely sense it but hear it.