There are no benefits to being platonic friends with a woman, you will get nothing out of the relationship.

Personally, once I realise I am in the friends zone I cut all contact with the woman.

Bingo!

Won'tGetFooledAgain wrote:

There are no benefits to being platonic friends with a woman, you will get nothing out of the relationship.

And Yahtzee!

There is virtually no reward to maintaining a platonic relationship with a female, and a whole lot of needless emotion and drama. Personally, I find it toxic. You’re either having sex, or you need to be out of there.

There are ways out of the friend zone, but I don’t think any of it would possibly be worth the effort because the reward is still a female you had to play games with and or conform to in order to win her over, which really means you didn’t win s~~~ because you sold yourself out to get it.

It takes some maturity to be friends with people you despise on some level. Or maybe it takes cognitive dissonance. Anyway, if you can manage, it’s nice to be able to appreciate someone for their good qualities while turning a blind eye to the bad. At least that’s true when it comes to friends. Wouldn’t say the same for marriage.

I decided a long time ago I am not going to waste my time giving in a “friendship.” Friendships to me are mutual, a give and take, both parties making efforts to nurture and maintain the friendship.

Very few men even meet this requirement. The vast majority of people only deal with relationships when they can gain something from the other person. They do not think of what they can give or what the other side gains from it. But women? They have nothing to contribute and think their vaginas mean everyone needs to bend over backwards to be in their presence and get their attention.

No thanks. If you ever do find a woman that even temporarily just puts in effort, it’s probably because she wants sex from you. I know plenty of guys are desperate and so they’ll jump all over that, but I’m not one of them so I just play those cool, and let them try to actually make a sexual move. To this day I have never see a woman be able to do that either. MGTOW is easy, the annoying part is just dealing with all the “why aren’t you married?” questions, but even those stop after you get old enough.

I have no intention of f~~~ing them because I try to view them as “friendzzzz”, and this term is genderless to me. Can’t bang smth genderless.

At the same time, I give them no sympathy. They know what I think about many things and they know that I might go away the moment they start to criticize my views. I don’t need their emotional garbage about NAWALTs and that those girls are different – f~~~ no, the female nature is all the same, so don’t you try to bulls~~~ me.

I liked the advise given me here that I should view them as tigers – you can be friends with a tiger, but you always have a gun with you.

I have three … yes three female friends that I know ‘have my back’ ….. well my daughters back.

I chose them … many years ago when I became a single dad. I sought them out. Deliberately went on a date with them and over time told them my true reasons.

One is a surgeon, one is head of a child service department and the other is a high level business owner.

I told them I was looking for role models and confidantes for my daughter and NOT a relationship for myself.

Not one of them refused …. quite the opposite. They fully invested in ‘us’.

They are some of my closest friends and I trust them. They know who and what I am.

However, these are old world women age 50 – 65. I think that’s why this works.

I did have a fling with one but we soon realised that we weren’t going to hook up.

Anyway … yes you can have female friends …. but from this modern age … I’m not so sure. My gut says no …. but who am I to judge.

I like going red pill on them and seeing how they react and what they say, I enjoy pointing them out on there bulls~~~ or giving them advice. They don’t know I’m red pill, they think I’m blue pill, figuratively speaking.

This is probably the closest answer I would align with as my best friend is actually female.  I know my audience and am going to shift my language and topics talking with her versus something like speaking with you all here.  Call it two-faced, hypocritical, whatever, but I genuinely enjoy her company and don’t feel like I’m misrepresenting myself at all.  She provides far more emotional support than any of my male friends and goes out of her way to make sure doing well.  Completely stable compared to my whiny ass.  Not romantically interested.  So for me it’s been more positives than negatives but I’ve certainly been in the situation where it’s more give than take though with other ones.

ILiveAgain wrote:

Oh dear … I feel a backlash a comin  

I probably took most of the heat off your post with my own.  Seems like you had a very sensible reason to establish those contacts so I doubt many would argue that.  Especially because it’s almost a strictly business relationship and you’ve posed it as being helpful for your family as opposed to solely yourself.