Later that same night I went to a local bar that I frequent on the weekends and a woman sat down next to me to have a drink. I wasn’t really looking to talk to anyone except the bartenders and other local patrons that all come to this establishment. However one woman (She was a 5.5) was determined to get my attention and talk to me. I ignored her for a bit until she used the bartender to introduce herself to me ( a dirty trick even for a woman), so we got to talking for a bit and she feels comfortable enough to put her hands on me; which I told her not to do. The worst part of all was that she told me she had a fiancee and was preparing to get married this summer. Her husband-to-be was in Europe on business; which I guess in her mind made her a free woman, because she wanted me to go back to her place with her. I told her I wasn’t interested. She did not take this well and hit me and tried to shame me by calling me gay. She had been drinking and was more than a bit tipsy so luckily the staff saw her behavior and reacted accordingly. But I must say it was very interesting watching her friends and the staff “escort”  her out. Very pathetic, but what she proposed was despicable, and her treatment of me was atrocious, so I shed no tears.

These 2 recent experiences got me thinking about female agency or women’s ability to ask guys out. I don’t usually have women asking me out which is one reason why going my own way is so easy for me, but this time it happened and I’m curious if there is a correlation between a woman’s attractiveness and the utilization of their agency. It seems like the girls at the gym didn’t want to overtly ask me out because they new they were pretty/ hot -whatever they thought of themselves, so they expected me to ask them out by playing damsel-in-distress. Basically in my mind they thought they were too good to ask a guy out directly, because they were too good to risk rejection. However in the case of the less attractive bar woman, she knows that guys won’t really ask her out because she’s not at the same caliber as the women around her and must therefore “lower” herself to a guy’s standards and actually use her agency. After these two things happened to me it really did make me reflect on the times when I would ask women out on dates and the types of girls who would occasionally (very rare cases) ask me out, and in general it was the lesser attractive women, or fat girls, or a fugly girl. I’m curious what you all think about this and sorry for the long post. I just wanted everything to be in context to get the proper feedback. Thanks to any and all of my brothers who read this and Cheers!!

In the case of the woman at the bar, some women are more aggressive in seeking what they want, especially when they’re drinking. In the case of women who are less physically attractive, they have to draw attention to themselves in other ways, but I’d have to guess she wouldn’t have done this had she not been drinking.

The only time a girl asked me out on a date (rather than just meeting for whatever) was so she could make some other guy jealous.

Oh and all that “it’s the man’s job to ask a woman out”? That only seems to be the case if he’s handsome or rich. If he’s a skinny nerd, he’s a “creep” or a “stalker” or a “potential rapist”.

It’s my job to humbly plead with you to grace me with your precious time? Don’t flatter yourself, hon. I’m just here for the Hoegaarden.

He told me to practice approaching 3 women every day. Just see a girl you like walking down the street and try to strike up a conversation. He said it was a numbers game. You never know the ones who are available from the ones who are not so don’t take rejection seriously. With practice I got pretty good at it. I would get 3 phone numbers from girls probably 8 and up. I once hit on a girl in the produce section. I asked her if she could help me pick the ripe banana’s, I s~~~ you not. It worked, we went out a few times.

Then I noticed that the only girls who messaged me were really really hot. They were usually looking for something specific in my profile. Usually because I’m a doctor and I can also dance. Their pretty specific about why, doc or dance, they message me.

Those are the ones that work out. Where she messages me. Most of these women had hidden profiles because they got so many messages that it was impossible to have a profile. They liked the control messaging guys gave them.

I suppose that very attractive women who don’t need anyone’s approval, they are really hot and everyone knows it, have more confidence. The girls in the gym that didn’t approach you probably don’t feel good enough for you and are waiting to see if it’s true.

If you smile back it’s game on.

She did not take this well and hit me and tried to shame me by calling me gay.

Here’s a good response for when some woman tries the whole, “Are you gay?” line of shaming bulls~~~:  “No, but the longer I’m near you the more I’m considering it.”

Women want attention.

Period.  Do not look deeper into it.  Don’t try to draw out any more conclusions or theories.  These 3 words sum up your experience completely.

Miles ahead wrote:

The only time a girl asked me out on a date (rather than just meeting for whatever) was so she could make some other guy jealous.

Thanks an interesting observation. I wonder how common that is.

Hammerdown wrote:

It’s quite funny. Despite all this talk about how “strong”, “independent” and “equal” women are/claim to be, if you sit down and ask them they overwhelmingly will say that it’s the man’s job to ask a woman out. This is why I don’t buy it for one second that women are better communicators than men. The two in the gym could have come up to you and asked for help. The woman in the bar could have walked over and introduced herself or started up a conversation. Instead they opt to just hang around and hope they pique your interest through the damsel in distress ploy or use the bartender to accomplish their goals. Oh and all that “it’s the man’s job to ask a woman out”? That only seems to be the case if he’s handsome or rich. If he’s a skinny nerd, he’s a “creep” or a “stalker” or a “potential rapist”. It’s my job to humbly plead with you to grace me with your precious time? Don’t flatter yourself, hon. I’m just here for the Hoegaarden.

Exactly on point brother. Even though they have the agency they don’t want the responsibility that comes with it, and they want the “right” men to hit on them and risk rejection instead of risking it themselves. You’re completely on point about what happens when the “wrong” guys hit on them as well. Those guys are just “creeps” and “losers”

Anonymous wrote:

Usually because I’m a doctor and I can also dance. Their pretty specific about why, doc or dance, they message me. Those are the ones that work out.

They were into you because you’re a doctor. They smelled money. Dancing was just icing on the cake. lol. But you had something that they wanted and you’re in demand by definition of being a doctor. Girls in this society won’t be into the dancing garbage man. Even if he’s a perfectly good person.  In my opinion they saw you as a human doing who could one day do everything for them. Thank God they don’t know you’ve gone you’re own way. lol.

Anonymous wrote:

I suppose that very attractive women who don’t need anyone’s approval, they are really hot and everyone knows it, have more confidence.

I’m not sure I necessarily agree with this. From my previous experiences I’ve noticed that in our current society that women who are generally a 0 – 7 have the most confidence and the women who are 7 – 10 have lower self esteem and confidence. Across the board the majority of them have the same plan. To get us to pay for everything and extend their privileges beyond what they already have, but that’s a topic of discussion for a different time. I’ve only experienced this anecdotally, so I don’t have any hard evidence. I do take your personal experiences seriously because it is a truth that you witnessed and lived through. I just think it may be a calculated move on their part because of your status as a doctor.

John Doe wrote:

A lot of good points, but I will sum this up in 3 words: Women want attention. Period. Do not look deeper into it. Don’t try to draw out any more conclusions or theories. These 3 words sum up your experience completely.

You’re absolute right that women want attention, and we all know it, but that’s not the reason why I shared what happened to me. I’m still curious if there is a correlation between a woman’s attractiveness and the utilization of her agency. I only know what I know based on my own life experience, but I’m wondering if other people share this experience, because knowing it and having the knowledge gives me power when I interact with women. As much as I would totally love to cut women from my life completely I know, realistically, it won’t happen. So I’m learning how to psychologically push them away as well, so they bother me even less than they do now, and I can go my own way in an even more effective way. It’s always good to know your enemy, so you can control his actions without him knowing it. Maybe that’s why I like our movement, ideology, and brotherhood.

Thanks for everyone who shared their thoughts, experiences, and opinions. It’s always very helpful and appreciated. Cheers to everyone who contributed. By the way I can’t remember who mentioned Sandman, but I listen to him regularly along with Razor Blade Candy. Thanks again and Cheers!

Wymen expect men to sweep them off their feet, ask for their number, pay for dates. not me. Leave them squirming.  These hoes definitely won’t help me in my goals in life. Mgtow level 3..