So when a young guy says he is going his own way, is that acceptable for the older/wiser men here as a sensible decision? Based on one’s lack of experience with girls/women, aren’t the young guys (<20) only setting themselves up for a bigger disaster if they only live by the idea that women can be extreme selfish and damaging to a man’s well being without ever getting royally f~~~ed by one?

I would welcome anyone with open arms only because I know the pain and suffering first hand to relate to someone else’s suffering. Would not getting enough dates or attention from the young girls cause young “nice” guys to adapt to mgtow lifestyle and focus on school/careers to later become successful? And when these whores have had enough run of the mill no-strings-attached c~~~s, they seduce these poor souls into ‘love’- I am not like them rest of girls, how I wish I had met you earlier to avoid heartache and pain from all the jerks I dated before you-  and eventual legal contract.

May be it’s my own skewed perception but I would throw my own hypothetical son (I have none) in to the dating world and face rejection but keep trying and learn from his own experience. No amount of second hand mgtow wisdom can prepare a young man to avoid seduction and entrapment once he has gained resources that a predator female wants but lacks first hand experience.

In a nutshell, is it okay for us to encourage young guys to adapt this lifestyle without really living through an experience to put things in perspective in grand scheme of things? The biggest challenge is not self-restraint (I had plenty of it in my young days, not because I was a mgtow but because I was a shy, introverted wimp who thought of women’s affection and fellatio to be a highest reward to mankind) but knowledge about self and the ways of the enemy.

It’s just a thought that I felt comfortable sharing based on my experience about the open-mindedness and constructive criticism from menbers. I hope it doesn’t come as a deterrent or undermine young men’s ability to see through female BS. Everyone is welcome, everyone is deserving of the wisdom that I have received. So please don’t take it as a personal attack.

Thanks!

“May be it’s my own skewed perception but I would throw my own hypothetical son (I have none) in to the dating world and face rejection but keep trying and learn from his own experience.”

When you have a son, it’s like someone slaps a whole new computer gridboard into your brain. It is an internalized change of perspective.

That being said, I honestly don’t think you would throw your own son into the giant plastic shredder of boys and men that the world has become.

Sixty years ago ~~ shotgun wedding, end of story.    Today: false rape allegations / ruined career timeline / ruined temporarily education / ruined reputation / police record / police record that’s in the system and won’t disappear/ serious disease – not just good old clap anymore.

It’s not like boys and girls are segregated or that young men can’t see how misandrist society and the media are. They can read about the false rape accusations, the constantly belittling of males, the demonization of the male sex drive, blaming men for every real and imagined slight in the world, they see how they are discriminated against in school, and how other men are discriminated against at work.

It is a wonder that any male with a functioning IQ of any age doesn’t see how misandrist society is and how toxic women are.

Just replace women with something else, such as bears or lions. Do I have to get mauled by a bear to understand they are dangerous? Or when I see another person get mauled am I smart enough to keep away? Humans would be dead if everyone had to experience the same negative outcome before they could adjust—it would be too late.

It will take at least 3 decades of women submitting to men and government power being destroyed before things can return to normality. And that means most of the current generation of women will be too old for anything. Some of these men can still then get the younger women, but probably the men will be too old too.

This is all intentional though, so it matters little. The governments wanted to destroy the family and they succeeded. Now we get to see what the plan is when there are far less marriages and families. I don’t for a second believe they truly want families to form again, considering all they ever do is try to shame men while doubling down on the feminist stupidity.

However, we are here to tell him to ‘flush it’ and why.

We are also here for a more serious reason. To keep him out of prison …. for the crime of being a young man.

So we MUST tell him things like the rape culture nightmare etc.

If that puts him off women ….. GOOD …. because we’re buying him time.

To grow, mature and see what’s going on …. with his minds and not his dick.

There is NOBODY ELSE out there for him.

WE SAVE LIVES

Young men today need to know that PLUS the life ruining risks that women bring to thousands of men every day, and for nothing other than money.

50 years ago men were looking for an easy lay….Today women are only looking for an easy pay (out). That’s all you’re good for, getting financially,  emotionally and mentally screwed. Better they know now than pay the price…

In a nutshell, is it okay for us to encourage young guys to adapt this lifestyle without really living through an experience to put things in perspective in grand scheme of things? The biggest challenge is not self-restraint (I had plenty of it in my young days, not because I was a mgtow but because I was a shy, introverted wimp who thought of women’s affection and fellatio to be a highest reward to mankind) but knowledge about self and the ways of the enemy.

I think the big thing about MGTOW is that men, both young and old, can make their own choices.  If young guys want to socialize with and date women, then at least they can do so with eyes open and be careful.  If I had known even a tenth of the information disseminated these days, I would have been a lot wiser back in the 1980s when I was operating in the dark, without a clue.  My parents were no help at all, and most of my male peers thought they were like “Mike Damone” from Fast Times at Ridgemont High.  The women I knew only gave me double talk, and both the news and entertainment media were filled with misinformation and horribly confusing mixed messages.

I wish someone had sat me down and given me the “straight story” a long time ago.

bulls~~~

i suffered too much during my young years, my sex drive was (as normal) huge and my success with women zero=that causes me real depression and pain… i can’t imagine how much would be the temptation nowadays with the clothes, the bodies exposed and the slut style that the young girls goes to the streets…if i would read in anywhere people telling me about the MGTOW movement, i would was much more happier seeing the reality and no the lies of the media…

so, despite my shock i’m glad for these young guys who discovered this way as soon as possible…even if in the future they decide to abandon it and get married and all the stuff…

the information is power…but also freedom…

i’m happy for them…

Bluntly, guys under 18 shouldn’t even be here – for the same reason I wouldn’t allow my own son to see certain movies. But I have broken that rule and welcomed them myself. In one case, it was to my regret. He was bringing too much ugly “OMG did you see this ugly feminist s~~~?” in the form of highly-toxic links to videos and articles that were not conducive to his well-being.

There is a difference between *dealing* with it… and going out to deliberately seek and find it — and bring it into your house, mind or life. It was the equivalent of going out to collect dog s~~~, bringing it into the kitchen and saying “Dad look at this dog s~~~ I found!”. A kid should not be doing that. Pick flowers and bring them into the house. Leave the dog s~~~ outside.

Anyone who wants to arrive at their own level of consciousness and clarity is welcome here to explore. EXPLORE. Giving the visitor plenty to explore is why we’re here. But we’re not actively knocking on their door, or selling them ideas. It makes ZERO difference if a visitor embraces it… or total rejects what they find here. We encourage them to do both – and leave. The point – and question – is that they have the capacity to make up their own minds.

A 14 year old simply doesn’t have the LEGAL capacity to make up is own mind.
He’s not under his “own” jurisdiction. That’s why a certain distance must be maintained.

Legally, he can’t “go his own way” . But he can certainly begin to open his eyes to the real world around him , prepare and educate himself on how he might begin to face the world that awaits him (and he will be thrown into ) on his 18th birthday.

Doesn’t anyone think it’s WIERD that the government would give you keys to a CAR and a license to drive it at 16… but that person can’t take a legal drink until they are 21? That is seriously f~~~ed up and backwards. If you can’t legally even drink a beer or smoke a cigarette, you shouldn’t be permitted to DRIVE ON THE ROAD WHERE YOU CAN KILL OTHER PEOPLE WHEN YOU ARE RECKLESS. I think that is so f~~~ed up…. but you know why they do it? It gives you a 5 year window to f~~~ the rest of your life up. Go to a party, drive a car, (like every 19 year old does) get a DUI and you’re paying for the rest if your life — and it hasn’t even begun yet! You begin your life in the s~~~ter.

It’s designed that way. They know giving you keys to a car at 16 is stupid.
And not permitting you to have a beer until you are 21 is also stupid.

It’s as if the system is deliberately designed to have young kids begin their lives in the s~~~ter or put them at great risk of damaging themselves.

They exploit youngsters like they exploit older men who signed marriage contracts without being aware of the very real dangers and not knowing how it can damage him….. and they fabricate false rape accusations because they can’t “catch enough predators” (see my recent sticky thread on that)…… so they try to entice men pretending to be hot chicks on the internet – to see if would be interested in having sex with someone under 18.

It’s so f~~~ed up.

So again… it’s not really a *moral* issue. It’s a LEGAL issue.

Men who don’t even personally engage in that s~~~, are arrested for no reason and their lives are ruined.
They will attempt to force this *experience* on you – even when you wanted nothing to do with it.

MGTOW says “stay the f~~~ out of my personal life and choices”.
I will experience what I choose to experience and entirely make my own choices.
Thereby congratulating myself for my own successes, and paying for my own mistakes. Not anyone else’s.

A 14 year old kid can’t decide that. But he will certainly experience exactly the same shaming for others when he has other more worthwhile pursuits than a f~~~ing girlfriend. Look at the way his own mother cringes because he is not interested in a “girlfriend”. They do a story on his genius, and his mother shames him for not being into silly & childish girly games. The dude is 14!

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So, Is actual personal experience a factor?

Great question. You don’t need to PERSONALLY murder someone to know that it’s wrong. And you also don’t need to PERSONALLY have sex with a girl who is saying “no” to be charged with a false accusation. This can happen to you – even if no sex is ever involved!

http://www.mgtow.com/video/false-rape-thwarted-by-police-camera/

So that officer didn’t have to PERSONALLY partake in anything indecent to be accused. A 16 year old boy who asks a girl to go out with him for an ice-cream may have to deal with that. And if he’s PREPARED, he will think twice about asking her out and buying her an ice cream at all.

Now consider “Sandman”. A youtube video creator who puts “MGTOW” next to his videos…. while he talks about all kinds of anecdotal stuff and gives his personal opinion into a microphone. Before he started doing that, he was in a relationship with ONE girl for 9 years. If it worked out with that ONE girl there would be no “Sandman”. And likewise, if he dated ANOTHER girl who it worked out with, he wouldn’t exist either.

You see the point?

I have *personally* had waaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyy more experience with women than Sandman. And I have not yet even created ONE video talking about it. (it’s still to come when we start creating exclusives) but the reason I haven’t done it is because I am not here to influence anyone. So personal experience is not essential to our existence.

It is an ENHANCEMENT to our existence. Personal experience is an olive on the MGTOW salad.