After poking around the site, reading some of your stories, spending too much time sidetracked with Bill Burr, hitting up google for MGTOW and just poking around I was surprised at the amount of anger/bitterness within the community. Sure, during the course of my divorce I was p~~~ed, each time I write my alimony check I wish unspecified amounts of harm onto a particular individual, but women in general …. The more aware/red pill I become, the more I simply don’t give a f~~~ about what women do, think or want. Not so much in an angry ‘I hate those f~~~ing c~~~s’ type way but more of a serene ‘I don’t give a s~~~’ to the point where ‘I don’t give a s~~~’ doesn’t even register, I just don’t.

Another thing that has me at odds with identifying with the whole MGTOW community are some of the guys you see on youtube acting like a male version of feminist harpies. To me (and I might be way off the mark here) ‘my own way’ is MY own way, not a life wherein in actively avoid, despise or resent women. Somehow that comes across as still living a life driven by women or focused on women, not a life YOU chose but one you are forced into.

Something else I came to realize which helped me get to my present blissful state of being is that you can’t (shouldn’t?) fault a woman for being a woman any more than you can fault a mosquito for being a mosquito. They simply are and unless you take the necessary precautions can ruin your day, week, life fairly quick equally. I’d throw out a cheesy ‘hate the game, not the player’ but even that doesn’t apply since if you’re driven by hate for anything, you’re still reacting and not on paving YOUR way. Understanding the game seems more appropriate.

Anyway, just curious what the MGTOW community is/is supposed to be. The idea sounds promising but it seems to be branching out in every which way (or maybe the wrong people identify as MGTOW?).

Would love to hear what everyone has to say and/or identifies as MGTOW.

BR

Some are just getting to grips, some gagging on pills. Others have just been shafted and a few old bastards who … well just don’t give a s~~~.

You will find it impossible to pin mgtow down because …. well …

It’s men going their own way and thats like hurding cats. That’s it’s beauty.

The hate, anger and rage will pass with them eventually. That’s when they find who they are now.

The more …. er .. experienced mgtow will have an attitude of ‘indifference’ toward women. Neither like nor hate them … just … nothing.

Emotions can be high … very high … but we MUST cut them some slack for they have well and truly been shafted from all sides of society.

This is one of the very few places they can heal and ‘become’

1) “Hatred” for women is a misconception.  We have a disregard for them.  If we truly “hated” them, we’d be out calling for their death, keying their cars, burning their houses down, etc.  While feminists wish that upon men in general, MGTOW don’t wish that upon women as far as I’ve seen (unless in jest).  That’s what makes us different from the feminist harpies.  We’re logical, they’re emotional.  We just don’t care about them.  We’ll let them take care of themselves as they’ve screamed that they want to do in the first place, according to the feminists.  We’re refusing to return to the “plantation.”

2) Men come on here and voice their anger over relationships/marriages that screwed them for life, so anger would be a logical emotion to show in this case.  Emotions aren’t a sin, they’re just not what should be used to make decisions or “truths.”  I have never been married myself, nor do I have any children, but I have experienced several abusive relationships, and this page is great for “getting steam off,” if you will.

This site (among other MGTOW communities and videos) is a great source that sure beats any gynocentric psychiatrists that I’ve ever visited.

I was surprised at the amount of anger/bitterness within the community

Well, I will not fault people from feeling anger. Although it is not the best emotion to live by, men are humans and we should be allowed to feel anger. And since there is never support to men, only shaming, I will not add fuel to the fire, but I will not put it out either. Sometimes good things come from bad experiences.

Bladerunner wrote:

Sure, during the course of my divorce I was p~~~ed, each time I write my alimony check I wish unspecified amounts of harm onto a particular individual, but women in general …. The more aware/red pill I become, the more I simply don’t give a f~~~ about what women do, think or want. Not so much in an angry ‘I hate those f~~~ing c~~~s’ type way but more of a serene ‘I don’t give a s~~~’ to the point where ‘I don’t give a s~~~’ doesn’t even register, I just don’t.

Well, that’s good for you, but you don’t need to be/have been into divorce or married to feel the injustice towards men. Again, it is great that you don’t feel anger anymore, but some of us, hell, even if you say most of us are angry, that doesn’t make us WRONG. As was said before, and I will say it again: Anger is a natural emotion when confronted with injustice.

Bladerunner wrote:

Another thing that has me at odds with identifying with the whole MGTOW community are some of the pussies you see on youtube acting like a male version of feminist harpies. To me (and I might be way off the mark here) ‘their own way’ is MY own way, not an alternate reality wherein in actively avoid, despise or resent women. Somehow that comes across as still living a live driven by women, not a life YOU chose but one you feel forced into.

Yes, I believe you are off the mark here. This version of MGTOW you describe is the same as Aaron Clarey and Paul Elam defend. The version that you are only MGTOW if you can get pussy, but choose not to. What if some people decide to go mgtow because they didn’t have a chance in the first place? Should they resent not ever being “attractive” to women? What if they were actually “forced” to go their own way, does that make their journey less valid? What if they WANT to actively avoid women, have resent or despise them? I somehow fit into this category. I went Mgtow initially because I felt had no other choice, and doing so improved my perspective of life CONSIDERABLY. I don’t despise women, although I would be lying if I said didn’t resent them a little bit and I do actively avoid them as much as I can. Should I not? Why should I care about them anyway? My feelings are my own, and as long as I don’t do any physical harm to them, or don’t try to get in trouble, I am not wrong on feeling what I do, and acting how I act. And despite that I consider myself Mgtow.

On top of that, most of us are FORCED into many other circumstances and nobody seem to care about our “feeling” towards these choices that are shoved into us. Some of us are FORCED to go to the army for example. I don’t see people questioning the decisions of those that decide to make a military career out of it. So why, if a person was FORCED to be MGTOW, his decision to continue being MGTOW should be questioned?

Beside, trying to avoid PROBLEMS (a.k.a women) are not necessarily living driven by it. I don’t go out of my way to avoid women, but if there is a route where the interaction with them is as little as possible, that’s the route I will take.

Bladerunner wrote:

Something else I can to realize which helped me get to my present blissful state of being is that you can’t (shouldn’t?) fault a woman for being a woman any more than you can fault a mosquito for being a mosquito. They simply are and unless you take the necessary precautions can ruin your day, week, life fairly quick equally. I’d throw out a cheesy ‘hate the game, not the player’ but even that doesn’t apply since if you’re driven by hate for anything, you’re still reacting and not on paving YOUR way. Understanding the game seems more appropriate.

Again, I call bulls~~~ on this one. This is bailing women out of their AGENCY. They CHOOSE to do what they do from their own FREE WILL. MEN and WOMEN have instincts, not all of them good for the group, and yet MEN are the ones with the RESPONSABILITY to refrain and control them, but WOMEN somehow get a pass? A… pussy pass? No, not with me. If being a woman means being a deceitful creature that thing she is entitled to lie, cheat and sacrifice men for their own gains, you can be sure as hell I will blame women for being a women. There SHOULD be STANDARDS for women, and these “women will be women” excuse was used to many times. I will not tolerate certain behaviors (emotional blackmail, cheat, steal, KILL) it doesn’t matter if the perpetrator is a WOMAN or if such behavior is a WOMEN’s BEHAVIOR.

What you are proposing is that we just “accept” women as they are, and therefore don’t demand any RESPONSABILITY from them, and that I will not do. If “bitching” is the consequence of that, so f~~~ing be it.

Besides, women are 50% of the population. How in the nine hells do you “PAVE YOUR WAY” ignoring, or NOT reacting, to the actions of HALF OF EARTH’s POPULATION? Unless you live into a vacuum it is NOT POSSIBLE.

spending too much time sidetracked with Bill Burr,

Spending too much time with Bill Burr? Is that even possible? If so, give George Carlin and Chris Rock a look see.

You will find much the same hate on women’s forums where they discuss their hatred of men after divorces.  There is a crucial difference.  Here, women scream at us calling this forum a Misogynists forum and we should all die in a fire.  On the women’s forums they all huddle around the poor suffering woman offering platitudes and comfort while she has taken half the mans net worth and his children after divorcing him for irreconcilable differences.

MGTOW is not a cult, not a religion, “revenge” or a hate group as many imbeciles would have you believe.   Its a philosophy of simplification and of reason.   Simplify your life and say no to the unreasonable marriage and custody laws.  Turn your back on this mess and find something interesting to do with your life and time.   If you have children, you be the best damn father you can.  Make sure they know that you will not be an absent father. (Even when they become teenagers and you want to strangle them.)   Its having the will to say “I do not need a relationship with a woman to have self worth”

But what about all the hate of women in these forums?  Just men working out our s~~~.  With men, eventually the anger fades, but the trust is gone.   As an old time MGHOW I’m pleasant with women, treat them with the basic respect I afford all people I encounter in life.

If you are looking for a political or social movement, you won’t find that here.  You should head over to the MRA forums.  MGTOW is about simplification of life and I could think of nothing more complex or futile than a political / social movement.  Perhaps women will change the laws, perhaps not (most likely), but to a MGHOW its irrelevant.  We have tipped our hat to the whole mess, put on our hiking boots and backpack as we head out the door to whatever existential roads we decide to wander down.

you can’t (shouldn’t?) fault a woman for being a woman any more than you can fault a mosquito for being a mosquito.

The hell you can’t. Mosquitoes don’t pretend to be anything other than mosquitoes.

You will NEVER hear a mosquito say: “Not all mosquitoes are like that.”