MGTOWDestiny vs Free Will – MGTOW https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/destiny-vs-free-will/feed/ Tue, 09 Jun 2020 05:25:05 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=2.5.14-6684 en-US https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/destiny-vs-free-will/page/433/#post-24317 <![CDATA[Destiny vs Free Will]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/destiny-vs-free-will/page/433/#post-24317 Fri, 20 Feb 2015 05:05:06 +0000 harpo-my-"SON" Is there such thing as wasted thought?  Is the time you spend pondering theory and Questions that start with the words “what if” valuable? If that  time has value then pondering on matters which you have no control over could be conceived as wasted thought.     Are you destined to think this way? or Do you have a choice?

What if we pondered only on matters which are really under our control? would this approach result in a more valuable use of our intellect?

I believe  It could if we would fight the urge to ask the stupid questions: Do we have free will?  or Are we really in control  of anything?

Some people may say there are no stupid questions but if that’s true: What kind of questions do stupid people ask?   Does the moron suddenly get an attack of intelligence immediately before asking a question?

Obviously being a  MGTOW  is a free will  choice not to bend to the expectations of women and society. At least it’s obvious to me. It’s just my humble opinion but I doubt you will find many MGTOW who would willingly  jump on the bandwagon of destiny. Who would willingly?

Practical ideas that could be expanded on and implemented into use may be a more valuable way to think. This reminds me of the boycott list.  I believe it’s a good idea. MGTOW helping the homeless was another idea with merit.

I consider it an insult to question my free will.  If I see any of you riding the bandwagon of destiny I will upset the carriage and scatter the lot of you.  Don’t take this to mean I don’t  believe in destiny.  I do believe in destiny and free will. They both do  exist.

I am destiny!  I am  that hidden power that controls my fate, and so are you!

 

I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.

]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/destiny-vs-free-will/#post-24327 <![CDATA[Reply To: Destiny vs Free Will]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/destiny-vs-free-will/#post-24327 Fri, 20 Feb 2015 07:10:21 +0000 Soul Man What if it’s your destiny to pursue your free will?  Hmmmmm?

Danger!  Critical mass ahead!  🙂

HISTORY...learn from it, memorize it, DON'T repeat it...
]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/destiny-vs-free-will/#post-24332 <![CDATA[Reply To: Destiny vs Free Will]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/destiny-vs-free-will/#post-24332 Fri, 20 Feb 2015 07:30:34 +0000 harpo-my-"SON" I laughed at that. so funny. I am destiny! I won’t waste time getting even close to critical mass. Your question started with “What if” does that make it a stupid question or a waste of time contemplating? Still it made me think about it long enough to find the humor.

Soul Man.  Hope your day was pleasant and productive.

 

I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.

]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/destiny-vs-free-will/#post-24334 <![CDATA[Reply To: Destiny vs Free Will]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/destiny-vs-free-will/#post-24334 Fri, 20 Feb 2015 07:49:02 +0000 RoyDal Is Free Will an Illusion? Scientists, Philosophers Forced to Differ
http://www.livescience.com/19213-free-fate.html

Dilbert stated free will is an illusion in a recent strip. Now, who can argue with that?

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/destiny-vs-free-will/#post-24338 <![CDATA[Reply To: Destiny vs Free Will]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/destiny-vs-free-will/#post-24338 Fri, 20 Feb 2015 08:24:05 +0000 Soul Man
harpo-my-“SON” wrote:

I laughed at that. so funny. I am destiny! I won’t waste time getting even close to critical mass. Your question started with “What if” does that make it a stupid question or a waste of time contemplating? Still it made me think about it long enough to find the humor. Soul Man. Hope your day was pleasant and productive.

haha!  yeah I’m difficult like that sometimes.

HISTORY...learn from it, memorize it, DON'T repeat it...
]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/destiny-vs-free-will/#post-24342 <![CDATA[Reply To: Destiny vs Free Will]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/destiny-vs-free-will/#post-24342 Fri, 20 Feb 2015 08:41:05 +0000 peterfa If you don’t have free will, then any determination or articulation was determined. Therefore, nothing you say has any meaning, including such conclusion. It’s a self-defeating statement.

]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/destiny-vs-free-will/#post-24379 <![CDATA[Reply To: Destiny vs Free Will]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/destiny-vs-free-will/#post-24379 Fri, 20 Feb 2015 15:22:48 +0000 harpo-my-"SON" Oh my, I am defeated by my own logic. much respect for my foe.

I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.

]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/destiny-vs-free-will/#post-24403 <![CDATA[Reply To: Destiny vs Free Will]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/destiny-vs-free-will/#post-24403 Fri, 20 Feb 2015 17:59:19 +0000 mikaal In recent weeks I have begun to consider destiny the illusion and free will a complicated series of events in the human process. I mean we can act on our own, but even when we do that its based on instinct, personality, and how we are raised to act in our society. Destiny seems like its an excuse people use to offset responsibility for their actions. I could not deal with that though. Thinking or “knowing” I am not responsible for my life or its events is exactly like being a child.

]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/destiny-vs-free-will/#post-24409 <![CDATA[Reply To: Destiny vs Free Will]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/destiny-vs-free-will/#post-24409 Fri, 20 Feb 2015 18:19:10 +0000 RoyDal For these purposes, I am going to accept the definition of free will given by the philosopher on the panel:

Free will, in her opinion, is being capable of stepping back from one’s existing motivations and habits and making a reasoned decision among various alternatives. “The claim that a person chose her action does not conflict with the claim that some neural processes or states caused it; it simply redescribes it,”

It is my observation that people who actually use their rational minds to make important decisions amount to a single-digit percentage of the whole population. The rest run their lives on instinct and impulses, which is not free will.

Thus, free will can be done; it is done, but it is exceedingly rare. However, our species survived because of irrational impulses. It’s a survival trait, or else it would not be so prevalent.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/destiny-vs-free-will/#post-24477 <![CDATA[Reply To: Destiny vs Free Will]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/destiny-vs-free-will/#post-24477 Sat, 21 Feb 2015 00:21:39 +0000 harpo-my-"SON" RoyDal  I like that definition, To step outside the normal motivations and expectations and find other  choices shows some conscious control.

Glad I have others expressing opinion on this matter. I still find it insulting to be given limited choices only to  be shamed for refusing to choose  or choosing an option not given.

I particularly like it when they say after the fact..  You can’t say that  or you can’t do that. You can’t talk to me that way.

Don’t you just love  saying:     “Well I just did.”   I like to make the claim at that time, “and it was an act of free will.”

Its hard to dispute the claim after you just did or said something they was not expecting.

I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.

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