At the same time I want to help these angry souls, because they really need it. How can we help our brothers stuck chained to their pain and suffering while still keeping MGTOW on the right path and inclusive? I watch a TL;DR video and he absolutely shredded this poor fellow that is just raging against women. The young man is clearly angry and not using his logical where with all towards self improvement and living life on his own terms.

I’m a griefer, I like f~~~ing with people because it’s funny. But guys like this will only make our cause look petty and small. How can we as MGTOW, stay righteous and yet true to ourselves. I’m not MGTOW because I hate women, because I am truly indifferent to 99.9% of women. I don’t want us to be defined by a negative, it will only cause us to evolve into something dark, and ugly.

<span style=”font-family: ‘Open Sans’, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 20px; background-color: #fbfbfb;”> I’m not MGTOW because I hate women, because I am truly indifferent to 99.9% of women. I don’t want us to be defined by a negative, it will only cause us to evolve into something dark, and ugly.</span>

I understand the sentiment of being indifferent. I too no longer feel that pull to just into the place of white knight. The second piece more or less completely describes feminism and what it has become in today’s world. We, as men, have to stand above the petty hate that we’ve all felt from time-to-time.

I am extremely leery of women, but not angry. If we don’t “weed out” the non-hacking shirkers that want to wallow in misery and remain angry we are essentially no better than feminists.

I disagree. Although I get where are you going for, letting these people “wallow in misery and remain angry” does not make us like the feminists. If you see something that you disagree with, and that bothers you, SAY something. People will join you or not based on your arguments. HOWEVER, don’t DENY the “right” that some of us have to chose to take this path. Yes, I also believe it is detrimental to one’s self to focus SOLELY on anger and resentment, and if I feel like it, I will point out, but I would not prevent those of us that are feeling anger to express such anger. Common sense still applies (Violence or any practice of sorts should NOT be condoned, and some guidelines established by the site should be followed ), but complains? Butthurt? Let them have it. MEN should be allowed to express their thoughts. Of course, they also should expect to hear criticism to such thoughts, but not CONDEMEND for feeling the way they feel.

Besides, each of us have different ways of dealing with such negatives feelings, and the period that those feelings endure also varies. It is up to each one of us examine our own behavior.

Feminists celebrates weakness and do so by conformity and seeking outside help (MEN) to do their work for them. MGTOWs shows strength by creating discussion and seeking solutions within ourselves. This comparison (MGTOWS=Feminists) is stupid at best. Don’t ask for others to do your work. If you think there are people here that need to be “weeded” out, go for it! Just remember that, like the ones that you intend to weed out, your arguments are subjective to scrutiny.

Smitty the Great One wrote:

But guys like this will only make our cause look petty and small

To whom? To women? To “blue pillers”? Newsflash, our “cause” will look “petty” and “small” NO MATTER what we do. So trying to tone police people here for the sake of what others might think is useless and it only dilutes the meaning of this space. Let them think what they want, blue pillers, women or even the “butthurted” men that bothers you so much. MGTOWS are not here to persecuted “misogynists” in favor of women, specially because nowadays, “having a penis” is pretty much an act of misogyni. Defend what you must because that’s what you think is right for yourself, but DO NOT try to censor others because of what outsiders might think, neither try to make others do your biding for you. Because if you do, guess what? I will be here to call on your s~~~.

Cheers

We all pass through these stages as we become more and more and more self-actualizing. I am open to suggestions to improve MGTOW because as we are relatively a new phenomenon there are no actual rules. I want no censorship, only understanding and progress towards the goal of self actualization, and life on your own terms.

I’m not MGTOW because I hate women, because I am truly indifferent to 99.9% of women.

Hey Smitty, I’m with you there 100%, I’m at 99.98% indifferent. I really like the female form, I was addicted to it, but not how feminism has remolded it. I dropped hatred, and picked up understanding instead. I accepted responsibility for alllll my actions, and suffer or enjoy the outcomes of my decisions, I’m a conscious person, I don’t hurt people, in turn, I don’t allow others to hurt me.

John the other has a video where he stated he didn’t like men shamming other men with derogatory labels like mangina, symp, and others. I tend to disagree, some guys need to realize the underfoot position their in, strong language and shocking reality is better than sugar coated cotton candy. They’re in a trance, on both sides of the isle, feminists and their orbiters, they feed on each other, and along comes Mr. “nice guy”, he’s ground up like hamburger, he hasn’t been down the road like we have, seen the things we have, learned the things we’ve learned, his pain is fresh, he’s still bleeding and wounded, but the guy that can’t get over it, and would rather harbor the hatred, he’s no better than any other warmonger. We’ve risen to a new level of understanding, they’re still down there, inhaling the noxious gasses of feminism. It’s war on men, not some ideological mandate of equity, it’s blatant inequity and injustice, on steroids!

The laws are designed to harness and plunder the value of men, at the same time granting women the right to commit these atrocities, then claim some sort of victory, celebrating divorce parties with their friends, it’s totally f~~~ed up at every facet of this society, we’re witnessing this society blowing it’s engine, it”ll be a fire ball slamming the wall……..The future’s best now, only if you go your own way. Otherwise it’s play Capt.”save-a-whore” remain in the dragster of feminism, and burn in the crash. I honestly believe with all my heart, and have for a long time, women no longer deserve men……

So, what is the solution? I have no idea.

I don’t think there is a course of action that “fit us all”. And it doesn’t help that, despite all the evidence, the majority of people’s response to our complains is “man up” and/or “Nawalt”.

So, until something comes up, I would say that the only way out is through. We keep debating, and hopefully, TIME will heal the anger and transform it into something constructive. Other than that, I really don’t know what else to do.

Cheers.

I think maybe the most I could do as a man who didn’t endure as much unfairness and treachery as some others, and have been fortunate enough to move on from the anger to indifference, is to be an example to those that still have anger to work through, and demonstrate (passively) that there is a life beyond all that (appropriate, but temporary) anger.

As a slight aside, I did see an article not long ago that questioned wether anger was the only respected emotion remaining for men to express…all other emotions expressed by men being subject to ridicule and criticism. It’s an interesting observation, and possibly applicable here, that if anger’s the only emotion left for men to express and have respected, that a man who has it becomes secondarily incentivized to hang on to it a little longer…(?)

I haven’t had a ton of time to consider that observation since I first read it, but it does occur to me now that there seems to be a preponderance of assumption that men going their own way are automatically “p~~~ed off” men going their own way. This is not necessarily the case for a majority of mgtow, but it is certainly the majority of the assumption about the reasons why a man would choose mgtow.

Even the trolls who show up to this site uninvited arrive with this assumption of anger (and either try to bait it from us, or criticize us for it), though nothing in the title expresses anger. To me, the assumption of anger is an indirect acknowldgement that there is something to be angry about (mgtow MUST have been hurt somehow… as if there can be no other explanation).

I’ll reason that the scale of that assumption of anger is an acknowledgment of the scale of the reasons for it. Many assume anger resides here among men, and NONE seem surprised by it…

But whatever anger there is, is all there will ever be so long as a mgtow never agrees to sign another marriage contract, or father another child. That is the where the anger manufacturing process begins, and without it, the total amount of anger among mgtow will continue to decrease.

And when all that anger is gone, and has been replaced by indifference, the mgtow will still be here. But the reasons for the anger will be long gone. When these reasons (which are enormously valuable to women) are gone, along with the perks, benefits and assets that accompanied it… is when we will see some real anger, but it won’t be ours. 🙂

Based on this thread, maybe we should start another thread that could serve as that beacon of what lies beyond anger. If we titled it “What was lost (from being mgtow) and what was gained”, it could passively demonstrate to p~~~ed off men what lies beyond all that anger…

Red pill or die!!!