This made me reflect and consider the following: the disparity between the amount of women I actually have had sex with, and those that have been at my home, naked, and ready to go, that I CHOSE not to have sex with.

Have many of you been in the same spot?

I know it sounds like a seemingly strange question, but for me personally I know it had to do with the severity of the value I placed on SEX in the home I was raised. In my mind, up until I was in my late 20’s, I perceived intercourse as much more sacred than any woman I had met put a value on the act.

I s~~~ you not. There were many times I had females naked and ready to go, but the act of intercoure always seemed valuable to me, and the fact that the women didnt perceive it as such turned me off.

Can any of you relate? Any first hand stories are appreciated, as always.

Ancientwisdom wrote:

, I perceived intercourse as much more sacred than any woman I had met

I have have had more one-night stands than I really wanted to. A few times, shockingly, I was in the middle of the act ….. actually wondering how I ended up in bed with this chick. No clue how it got there, because there were times I wanted it to go there and there was no way of planning it either! There was no formula for this. But I will FULLY admit if I don’t actually LIKE the girl, I could give a damn about whether it happens or not. I treated it as MUCH more “sacred” than the women did. That’s for sure. Especially my first time. We were 17. She f~~~ing trained me like she had been doing it since she was 6. “ok now do this…and do that” like she was an anatomy teacher or some s~~~.

THEN when I was 19, a friend of a waiter friend hooked me up with a 31 year old “Stifler’s Mom”. That’s EXACTLY what she was in my eyes. The whole experience grossed me out. Lights were on bright and she was fake screaming like there was NO way I was doing all of that. It really put me off older women FOR LIFE. To this day I have never banged a chick even 1 day older than me.

Absolutely can relate.

By the time I was 24 I lost count. I had a rough idea but it seemed stupid to keep track.

I remain convinced, even the PUAs types who waltz through life with pussy right and left are not made happy by higher notch counts.

Ha! Ive thought the same as well. When I get a blow job I personally dont consider it as sex. Ill be honest:.if a chick GIVES a blow job, I DO consider it an increased number of sexual partners on her part. A f~~~ing c~~~ in her MOUTH? Its simply different for the sexes in my mind.

I hope this thread doesnt turn into what DEFINES “sex” lol. I would really like to hear from you guys on the ORIGINAL topic.

Thanks for the reply!

“…A few times, shockingly, I was in the middle of the act ….. actually wondering how I ended up in bed with this chick. No clue how it got there, because there were times I wanted it to go there and there was no way of planning it either!”

That statement reminds me of a time I was banging this chick for the first time, whom I met online.

I remember when I was f~~~ing her I felt: guilt, remorse, and why the F~~~ am I sticking my dick in this broad I dont even respect.

Apparently she picked up on the vibe, because after the act was done she told me “Ancientwisdom youre looking for your DREAM girl. You are NEVER going to find her”.

That event STRONGLY stuck out in my mind. The: guilt and remorse of me sticking my dick in RANDOM pussy which conflictef with the depth of my own personal values must have permeated the room with an aroma akin to pesticide for roaches. The toxic, anger consumed gaze of my eyes penetrated her. She, at that moment, realized I wasnt SIMPLY looking to get my dick wet. No. I wanted, and expected more out of life and women, but havent found it.

Her retort in realzing I want more out of a woman than a cheap, wet hole, and realizing she wasnt it? “Youre expectations are too high”. Lofl.

Was I wanting sex? Yes. Was I buzzed? Yes. But that doesnt change the fact that she realized in reality I wanted MORE, and she was simply a surrogate for the night. In fact, her sluttery causes more creedence to me believing I CANT find a woman like I want.

In short: women feel LESS sacred and commitment with sexual acts than men. In their mind it is “JUST something that happened”. Those are the cheapest, most whimsicial, unnacountable words ever uttered.

“JUST something that happened”

No no , no… no…..

TSUNAMIS …….. “happen”.

BRAIN tumors………. “happen”.

EARTHQUAKES………. “happen”.

Dolling yourself up, pushing your t~~~ together, teasing your hair up to the moon, shopping for something to wear, painting on your face and nails for 4 hours, going out of your way to seek make attention , then blowing Guido the Killer Pimp in the toilet before spreading your legs and getting banged ball-deep while bent over the toilet with your hair in the water…. doesn’t “happen” to you. YOU GO OUT.. and MAKE it happen like the little tramp you know you are.

Spends 45 minutes straighten her hair but refuses to straighten out the MESS that’s inside.

http://www.mgtow.com/audio/if-youre-not-a-slut-who-is/

Let;s just say I have known too many girls exactly like that.

I completely agree. The “it JUST happened phrase” should be: printed, deifined, and explained to EVERY young man. These are the types of woman “thinking” that should truly comprise our Black Book. Not the number of whimsical women you HAPPEN to bang.

“It JUST happened”. What does that statement tell you? ZERO sense of accountability. ZERO sense of responsibility. It is tantamount (equivelant in quality or value) to similar female statements: “oh, the STARS were aligned JUST right”…”What SIGN are you?” “We had CHEMISTRY”.

GIVE ME A F~~~ING BREAK.

Its just like Jack Nicholsons quote in the film As Good As it Gets -“I think of a man, and I take away accountability and responsibility”. Ive seen you quote that as well. The first time I saw that film, that quote just struck me as AMAZING. I love how the female character is holding one hand over her forehead and one over her heart, as though she is so priceless and valuable, then he RIPS her to shreds.

A TRUE moment in a film from Hollywood. Finally. Lol.

If anyone else has experience on the original question, its much appreciated.

I can relate to that my whole life. But I do not believe for a second that it’s the normal healthy way. Being in a sexually oppressed and sexually exploitative culture will making ‘getting it’ overshadow the act itself. Do you think hunter-gatherer tribes think about sex like this? f~~~ no, but that’s what we crave…the tribe, but we’re more on our own now than ever before in history. It could be worse, might as well ADAPT.

as it’s been stated before by some bloke: “men don’t enjoy sex, they enjoy the fact that they are having sex”.

I can relate to that my whole life. But I do not believe for a second that it’s the normal healthy way. Being in a sexually oppressed and sexually exploitative culture will making ‘getting it’ overshadow the act itself. Do you think hunter-gatherer tribes think about sex like this? f~~~ no, but that’s what we crave…the tribe, but we’re more on our own now than ever before in history. It could be worse, might as well ADAPT.

Could you elaborate on what your point is? Im SINCERELY not being a smart ass (I know via written word it is difficult to ascertain ones tone, but Im being SINCERE here).

Everytime I hear a “hunter gatherer” or ANY other behavior or trait which is passed on by a genetic evolutionary mechanism, I am leery. I do not want to turn this discussion into a creation by design OR chaos theory, but I have a difficult time believing that women or men today find physical traits attractive for EVOLUTIONARY purposes.

Case in Point:
“Child bearing hips”- lol I could care LESS. Im not some advanced stage MONKEY wondering if my girl can bare MANY of my children. I NEVER even consider such things.

When was the last time ANY of you truly had to PHYSICALLY defend yourself, if you didnt CROSS the line? I have NEVER had to in the past ten years of my life. So long as I respect others and take s~~~ into account, it doesnt happen. If some dude is a douche, I leave before it gets out of line. That has happened ONE time in the past 15 years. I walked away because it was clear the guys (multiple navy seals) wanted to start a fight, and yes it was over a girl.

humans been around for over a couple hunnit thousand years.

Most of that existence was confined to being within small groups of 150 people or less.

The world had plenty of space for the number of humans.

The last 10,000 years in most parts of the world have ‘civilization’ where there is private property and constant competition. No more all for one and one for all..like tribes operate. There are tribes that exist this very moment..like in Papua New Guinea, that have been like that for f~~~ing ever. Many tribes don’t have a word for ‘depression’, they are rarely alone, they get along and work together to survive. This is not new knowledge, but I was thinking of repackaging it with some new science to write a book…but I’m busy with other s~~~. Your post hints at you not believing in evolution, which is the same thing as saying I don’t believe you can make different breeds of dogs. I just want to give you a serious answer to your inquiry, but I’m a little timothy leary about what information you choose to be ‘most true’. If you think on a level that I think is stupid, I won’t insult you or give a damn, I just won’t use my time to exchange ideas. There’s just no reward in that. Some people don’t like to be not smart. I was born smart, it’s also a curse, and I also know I know nothing. Is there anything you want my ideas about or can you add something I may benefit from? Hope this long reply has further explained my point of view.