I am very conscient of the fact, that a woman who has a child is way less attractive to other men. Also I let them know that I will quit all my work so I can’t pay child support. I specialized on being self sufficient. So I already need little money to get by.

But what I am really looking forward to is Vasogel. Developments are being done these years, and supposely it shall come to the market in 2017. I really hope that it will. For now I’m even staying away from women, because I am waiting for this cantraceptive to come. It will be a shift in power between men and women.

How do you guys handle this problem?

The greatest threat to my MGTOW-life is the pregnancy of a woman. Most people here say “use condoms” just I hate those in a steady relationship and also, the rip on me every once in a while. Whenever I get with a girl, I tell her precisely this: “The decision for a child will have to be made by both of us. If you make it on your own, then you will be on your own with that child”. Up to now this has worked really well. None of the women I have been with, did get pregnant, even though quite a few would have liked to.

I am very conscient of the fact, that a woman who has a child is way less attractive to other men. Also I let them know that I will quit all my work so I can’t pay child support. I specialized on being self sufficient. So I already need little money to get by.

But what I am really looking forward to is Vasogel. Developments are being done these years, and supposely it shall come to the market in 2017. I really hope that it will. For now I’m even staying away from women, because I am waiting for this cantraceptive to come. It will be a shift in power between men and women.

How do you guys handle this problem?

Don’t EVER trust a woman re children …. NO MATTER what they say or agree with.

The law will wipe the floor with your ‘deals’

The simple fact is DON’T F~~~ THEM and they can’t get pregnant.

Get the snip or wait for pill …. but women will still try and trap you.

It’s called Vasalgel,  not Vasogel as I wrote. http://www.parsemusfoundation.org/vasalgel-home/

I hope and pray for it to come. Was thinking about getting a vasectomy too. But I learned that there are unpleasant side effects.

Pregnancy roulette — place your bets and take your chances.

But what I am really looking forward to is Vasogel. Developments are being done these years, and supposely it shall come to the market in 2017.

I wouldn’t count on it. There is a LOT of resistance to male birth control from women and especially the feminist quarter (because hypocrites) and I don’t see that changing any time soon, because they know as soon as it hits the market it’s Game Over for their “Tender Years” child support scam.

The only thing that’s going to apply the right kind of pressure to getting Vasalgel on the market are young men permanently switching themselves off with vasectomies, because Women will see Vasalgel as a less permanent stumbling block to their schemes. Fortunately young men are getting the snip in staggeringly record numbers, but I don’t know if it’s enough.

Huevon wrote:

Was thinking about getting a vasectomy too. But I learned that there are unpleasant side effects.

Ask yourself who is telling you about those unpleasant side effects. Also ask a few men who have had one about their experience getting the snip.

Even if you’re a 20-something right now, Vasalgel or no Vasalgel, the laws are not going to change soon enough that having children will ever be a viable option for you. Right now all men get is the bill, children are nothing but a huge liability for men, and that isn’t going to change any time soon. It will take decades for men to have any chance of ever having their own children again, and that’s only AFTER something like Vasalgel becomes standard.

So why not just get snipped and be done with it? Just don’t tell anyone and continue using condoms. Condoms help prevent STDs that Vasectomies and Vasalgel won’t, and using one gives laydeez with the baby rabies the idea you are still viable as a walking wallet for them via child support. Used condoms are also a useful place for storing any extra habanero sauce you might have before tossing them in her bathroom wastebasket.

The greatest threat to my MGTOW-life is the pregnancy of a woman. Most people here say “use condoms” just I hate those in a steady relationship and also, the rip on me every once in a while. Whenever I get with a girl, I tell her precisely this: “The decision for a child will have to be made by both of us. If you make it on your own, then you will be on your own with that child”. Up to now this has worked really well. None of the women I have been with, did get pregnant, even though quite a few would have liked to.

This sounds all fine and dandy; however, if she did choose to keep the child without your “consent”, you wouldn’t have a leg to stand on. She has the full support of the state in her decision. She would have the baby and you’d be ordered to pay CS for at least the next 18 years (another 4 if the child goes to college).

Huevon wrote:

I am very conscient of the fact, that a woman who has a child is way less attractive to other men. Also I let them know that I will quit all my work so I can’t pay child support. I specialized on being self sufficient. So I already need little money to get by.

The state will simply impute your income. If you’re not aware of this concept, look it up. In a nutshell, if a CS payor is intentionally reducing income in order to reduce or eliminate CS payments, then his income, for the purposes of determining the monthly CS amount, will be imputed to what he was capable of earning. And don’t think for one second that the state would give you a fair shake in this assessment.

Once you’re in arrears, the state will garnish whatever they can from you. You could also end up in jail. I don’t know about you, but that’s not the type of life I’m willing to live.

Huevon wrote:

But what I am really looking forward to is Vasogel. Developments are being done these years, and supposely it shall come to the market in 2017. I really hope that it will. For now I’m even staying away from women, because I am waiting for this cantraceptive to come. It will be a shift in power between men and women. How do you guys handle this problem?

This all makes sense. I agree that an effective male contraceptive is key to men controlling their own destiny.

How do I handle the problem? I got a vasectomy. I have no side effects.

Don’t forget that one day you might meet a woman that will listen to your standard

Huevon wrote:

“The decision for a child will have to be made by both of us. If you make it on your own, then you will be on your own with that child”

Then make the decision that you can be ‘changed’ (AKA domesticated), because in each and every man there is a daddy (AKA ATM) waiting to get out.

How do you guys handle this problem?

Vasectomy (don’t tell her)

Huevon wrote:

How do you guys handle this problem?

Vasectomy (don’t tell her)

There is some validity to this. If you want to have a relationship (read: regular sex) with a woman, but don’t want all the s~~~ that goes along with it, then you have to lie to her.

If you flat out say that you don’t want kids, you never want to live together, never want to get married…essentially go against what women are wired to be, you’ll have a hard time getting them to spread their legs.

You have to lie and make them think they are in control. Put their game right back on them. Tell them that you are opened to kids even though you had a vasectomy (which she won’t know) and that you want to progress naturally towards a long term committed relationship.

This is not conducive to a long term relationship with kids and/or marriage, but how many MGTOWs have that as an end goal?