MGTOWBible verses supportive of MGTOW – MGTOW https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/bible-verses-supportive-of-mgtow/feed/ Tue, 09 Jun 2020 00:56:10 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=2.5.14-6684 en-US https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/bible-verses-supportive-of-mgtow/page/324/#post-58771 <![CDATA[Bible verses supportive of MGTOW]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/bible-verses-supportive-of-mgtow/page/324/#post-58771 Thu, 28 May 2015 16:40:45 +0000 IGMOW (I Go My Own Way) I wouldn’t of bothered to post this here, but I saw a few people identify themselves as Christian in another thread.  I have seen, like from Sandman, a negative view of the Christian religion, and going your own way is supposed to not involve connecting with God in any way, and is supposed to mean that one is just supposed to tend to their sex drive and urges and how dare anyone be told otherwise, and how dare you restrain men like that?  Well, for some, the path of MGTOW can be that they avoid sexual relations with women.  If the modern male-female marriage and dating area is so messed up, why shouldn’t a guy choose to skip it?  And if their religion says to do this, why have issues with this?  And if following someone, and having discipline because it works best is what works, why have issue?  I would say some don’t see liberation as an end in itself, but a means to an end.  So, in this regard, please let people who want to be Christian or whatever, let them do it.  So, on this note, let me give some Bible verses I have seen that can connect to MGTOW.  It is a religious form, so have it in that context.

So, onto Bible verses supportive of MGTOW (at least certain forms of it):

* 1 Samuel 17:38-40. David rejects Saul’s armor and decides to fight Goliath on David’s terms, not what Saul thought worked.

* Book of Daniel.  Daniel faced death a number of times in the book, due to the King having bad advice given him that would threaten Daniel’s life.  It was done to target Daniel.

* Let what you say be simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything more than this comes from evil. (Matthew 5:37). My take: Being able to have your words mean something matters.  In this context  it speaks of one’s words counting, and meaning that, with out the need to swear or bring anything else into make one’s word be taken seriously.  I consider this good advice and integrity a solid trademark of going one’s way.

* Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces. (Matthew 7:6) In short, don’t waste and be stupid about things.

* The disciples said to him, “If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry.” Jesus replied, “Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.” (Matthew 19:10-12).  My take: If need be, avoid women, sex, etc… because the demands are high.  It is also written Jesus supporting counting the costs.

* Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. (Romans 12:2a)

*  Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another. (Romans 13: 8a). My take: This kind of love spoken of isn’t a normal type.  It can be translated charity, and positive regard for others.  My take is that it means that one isn’t to end up being driven by guilt and should be free of obligations that enslave.

* All things are lawful for me, but not all things are profitable. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be mastered by anything. (1 Corinthians 6:12)

* 1 Corthinians 7 (this is edited to try to focus on MGTOW sections)

– v1. Now for the matters you wrote about: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.”

-v21 (b). if you can gain your freedom, do so.

– v27. Are you pledged to a woman? Do not seek to be released. Are you free from such a commitment? Do not look for a wife.

-v28 (b). But those who marry will face many troubles in this life, and I want to spare you this.

– v33-34. But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world—how he can please his wife— and his interests are divided. An unmarried woman or virgin is concerned about the Lord’s affairs: Her aim is to be devoted to the Lord in both body and spirit. But a married woman is concerned about the affairs of this world—how she can please her husband.

* Flee youthful lust (2 Timothy 2:22a)

 

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/bible-verses-supportive-of-mgtow/#post-58777 <![CDATA[Reply To: Bible verses supportive of MGTOW]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/bible-verses-supportive-of-mgtow/#post-58777 Thu, 28 May 2015 16:57:24 +0000 narwhal 1 Corinthians 7 is the first that always tend to think of.  Although I haven’t read it in years and hadn’t remember it was about devoting time towards God instead.  Regardless, Christians really shouldn’t have a problem with someone not getting married.

Ephesians 5 is a bit more concerning to me.  It talks about how men should love their wives as they do themselves, and wives should revere their husbands (it doesn’t say love).   I don’t know that husband’s are loving their wives, but no fault divorce is in direct contrast to reverence of husbands.

Eph 5: 33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.

Of course, this means nothing if you aren’t don’t believe the bible is truth in this regard.  For that reason alone, I think stating one’s case through logic and such is a much better way to go.

Ok. Then do it.

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/bible-verses-supportive-of-mgtow/#post-58786 <![CDATA[Reply To: Bible verses supportive of MGTOW]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/bible-verses-supportive-of-mgtow/#post-58786 Thu, 28 May 2015 17:18:23 +0000 IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)

1 Corinthians 7 is the first that always tend to think of. Although I haven’t read it in years and hadn’t remember it was about devoting time towards God instead. Regardless, Christians really shouldn’t have a problem with someone not getting married. Ephesians 5 is a bit more concerning to me. It talks about how men should love their wives as they do themselves, and wives should revere their husbands (it doesn’t say love). I don’t know that husband’s are loving their wives, but no fault divorce is in direct contrast to reverence of husbands. Eph 5: 33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband. Of course, this means nothing if you aren’t don’t believe the bible is truth in this regard. For that reason alone, I think stating one’s case through logic and such is a much better way to go.

I was not getting into what married men need to do and so on, because my take on MGTOW is a core part is not getting married.  What I do see from MGTOW to married men, is for them to not be needy, and be able to stand on their own, and become people of integrity.  It means standing on what is right, and not being manipulated.  This can end up being leadership in a marriage.  There is what SHOULD be marriage, and then there is reality.  In all that, I see a case of a man being strong, and if the woman leaves, he can stand being single.  What one does shouldn’t be dependent on what others do.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/bible-verses-supportive-of-mgtow/#post-58802 <![CDATA[Reply To: Bible verses supportive of MGTOW]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/bible-verses-supportive-of-mgtow/#post-58802 Thu, 28 May 2015 17:54:13 +0000 narwhal Except, a man cannot get married and play that leadership role anymore, since the wife will not follow.  For marriage to work, in the biblical sense, both leading and following have to happen.  No fault divorce releases women from the role of reverence.  In some sense, when their are children involved, men are never released from their leadership role  in that they still need to provide the finances and be the fatherly example.

Theoretically, two people could get married and take on these roles and be successful, but there will always be this pull for the woman to break out of her role and kill the marriage…because feminism.

I agree with you though, avoiding marriage is the way to go both logically and fitting within a biblical sense.  However, I’d be lying if was trying to live out a biblical life.

Ok. Then do it.

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/bible-verses-supportive-of-mgtow/#post-58804 <![CDATA[Reply To: Bible verses supportive of MGTOW]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/bible-verses-supportive-of-mgtow/#post-58804 Thu, 28 May 2015 17:56:30 +0000 The Bible is so full of contradictions.

Take everything with a grain of salt, and the context of many sayings aren’t even applicable to our day and age.

 

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/bible-verses-supportive-of-mgtow/#post-58830 <![CDATA[Reply To: Bible verses supportive of MGTOW]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/bible-verses-supportive-of-mgtow/#post-58830 Thu, 28 May 2015 19:09:20 +0000 IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)

The Bible is so full of contradictions. Take everything with a grain of salt, and the context of many sayings aren’t even applicable to our day and age.

I don’t take the Bible as some sort of constitution for a Yacht Club where you can just build a church out of nothing by reading it.  There is historical context that needs to be understood.  I would hold what is there generally true, and so on.  There is issues though how much is actually doable, particularly the marriage commands.  People can do them, if they can find the unicorn, but that is a problem.  Without the context of the roles there and so on, people can’t do it.  There is also biases of family being nuclear, which is a mid-20th century bias involved.

Anyhow, the point of this thread here isn’t to discuss the validity of the Bible, but provide Christians support for going MGTOW.  I request people please let it sit this way, rather than express your disagreements at things.  Please don’t undermine someone going MGTOW because you disagree with something they consider valid.  One can argue that what I said isn’t MGTOW in it, and show how, the verses and whatnot.  But you do have Christians here, and they can use whatever support they get to go their own way.

So, can I request people NOT try to debate the Bible using this?  If it isn’t for you, please leave it be, and let others for whom it is for, accept it.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/bible-verses-supportive-of-mgtow/#post-58847 <![CDATA[Reply To: Bible verses supportive of MGTOW]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/bible-verses-supportive-of-mgtow/#post-58847 Thu, 28 May 2015 20:18:42 +0000 I understand the basic message of Christianity (as I’m a part of it), and I can’t see how many Christians today are so gynocentric and such woman-worshipers.  I can see how women are allegedly “Christian” in the lukewarm sense.  As I’ve stated before in previous posts, the men of today would bow down to her and the Bible expects her to be simply submissive to the husband, respect him, and let him lead.  Thanks to feminism, they think they can have their cake and eat it too (quite literally in some cases).  It’s like they forget that they were given the assignment of being a caretaker and are to look up to the man.  I can’t say the same about non-Christian women, so their behavior doesn’t surprise me.

It’s the “Christian feminists” I’m particularly addressing here.  They proclaim “I can wear whatever I want and you shouldn’t look because lusting after a woman is a sin” (I’ve seen this on Christian-related Facebook comment posts) while they conveniently forget that it’s also stated that CAUSING someone to stumble is a sin as well.

When a woman molests a teenager/child, or murders a man/child, they misinterpret the infamous verse “judge not lest ye be judged,” while not realizing that verse has to do with not being a hypocrite.  The irony is the women calling out that judging is wrong are judging the action of judgment…thus that would technically make them the sinners…wouldn’t it?  😉

The Bible’s many “contradictions” can very much be explained (most can, at least), the Bible is just a difficult book to grasp without reading it all the way through and understanding its true meanings and contexts.  Some Bibles today (either with commentaries or more modern translations) help with that, although only a little.

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/bible-verses-supportive-of-mgtow/#post-58859 <![CDATA[Reply To: Bible verses supportive of MGTOW]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/bible-verses-supportive-of-mgtow/#post-58859 Thu, 28 May 2015 20:52:23 +0000 Zuberi Tau Here are a few good verses.

Proverbs 5:1-10

The very last verse sounds an awful lot like the men who are paying child support and alimony.

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/bible-verses-supportive-of-mgtow/#post-58908 <![CDATA[Reply To: Bible verses supportive of MGTOW]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/bible-verses-supportive-of-mgtow/#post-58908 Thu, 28 May 2015 22:50:10 +0000 IGMOW (I Go My Own Way) There are articles like this, and other things I have read, that speak to men getting shorted when it comes to Church:

http://www.cbn.com/spirituallife/churchandministry/menhatingchurch.aspx

Apparently women are seen as more religious, so Christianity tries to pander regarding that.  Anyhow, none of this has to do with the Bible verses.  I would hope they prove to be of some value.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/bible-verses-supportive-of-mgtow/#post-59014 <![CDATA[Reply To: Bible verses supportive of MGTOW]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/bible-verses-supportive-of-mgtow/#post-59014 Fri, 29 May 2015 02:27:26 +0000 Anon Anonington Proverbs 31:10

An excellent wife, who can find? For her worth is far above jewels

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