MGTOWAn apology might be in order… – MGTOW https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/an-apology-might-be-in-order/feed/ Tue, 09 Jun 2020 09:30:13 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=2.5.14-6684 en-US https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/an-apology-might-be-in-order/page/285/#post-71211 <![CDATA[An apology might be in order…]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/an-apology-might-be-in-order/page/285/#post-71211 Sun, 21 Jun 2015 07:03:35 +0000 Hello,

So, as some of you might know, I started the whole thread about racists black men, sometime ago. At the time I didn’t see what was worng with the thread, and for the most part I still don’t. My aim, at that moment, was to criticize men that uses their skin color as an excuse to try and divide Mgtow (or to try to blame tohers for their won failures, for that matter). And although that seemed to be the general consensus at that post, some friction was still generated.

After reading some coments and put some though, I would like to apologize for the way I expressed my views. Note that, I am not apologizing for criticizing those men I criticized on that video. I still think that racism is racism no matter what color of your skin is. However I don’t believe that the ends justify the means, and although that thread showed that Mgtow, at least here, are in a consensus when it comes to the “race” issue (which is… it doesn’t matter what is yours, men are men. period.), it also caused some unecessry attriction.

I am guessing that this might be because of my use of words, and because of that, maybe the message I was trying to convey was diluted and/or missed. I don’t back off when I think the conflict is necessary, but I also apologize when I think I did wrong and upon further analysis I am reaching the conclusion that, in this case, there was no need for generating conflict.

I would like to point out a few things though:

– I don’t think any “race” has a pass for not being held to a minimum standard. My opinion on stupid people is equally low, regardless of the “race” of the person showing poor judgement skills (wether it is racism, or any other type of ill/stupid/detrimental “belief”. SPECIALLY, when said belief is to the detriment of men, because pussy said so).

– I don’t think political correctness is a good thing either. People should be able to try to express their opinions, and we (people in general) should judge such opinions based on their CONTENT, not SEMANTICS, or FEELINGS. I still prefer a painfull truth then a cosy LIE. And a little of common sense and sense of humor can do wonders.

That said, I may have been a little too coarse on the way I dealt with the subject at hand. Also, this place, mgtow.com, is, after all, a place for mgtows to get together, and if that thread made divise when, on the core, people agree on their ideals, then it backfired, and for that I do apologize.

Make no mistake though. I am not apologizing for other people’s feelings or to “dodge” any consequence of my actions. I am apologizing for my own sense of justice, since I am starting to think I should have been able to handle that subject better.

Anyway, that’s what I have to say.

Have a good weekend you all.

Cheers

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/an-apology-might-be-in-order/#post-71215 <![CDATA[Reply To: An apology might be in order…]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/an-apology-might-be-in-order/#post-71215 Sun, 21 Jun 2015 07:12:58 +0000 I thought it was a great post. If MGTOW and men in general are going to get anywhere than we can’t be playing race cards and causing division the way the guy on the clip you posted was doing.

Also I think it is important for Non White MGTOW’s to understand that White men were the first men targeted by Feminism and Marxism and that if you want to demonize a race, gender or sexuality than pick on a White Straight Guy and no one will say a word.

So what you posted was spot on and from what I saw most of us agreed with you.

 

 

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/an-apology-might-be-in-order/#post-71216 <![CDATA[Reply To: An apology might be in order…]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/an-apology-might-be-in-order/#post-71216 Sun, 21 Jun 2015 07:16:00 +0000 RoyDal Anyone who uses the power of the government (or a mob when there’s a difference) is utterly reprehensible and deserves the harshest criticism. (Trouble is, their critics become instant targets.) So, no need to apologize, not to me anyway.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/an-apology-might-be-in-order/#post-71224 <![CDATA[Reply To: An apology might be in order…]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/an-apology-might-be-in-order/#post-71224 Sun, 21 Jun 2015 07:36:44 +0000 Ancientwisdom I echo the other replies to this post. Your INTENTIONS in that thread were sincere and genuine. You brought a subject to light, that is otherwise hidden by the media. You had ZERO ill intentions. If ANYONE *twisted*it otherwise, that is THEIR agenda.

The fact that you have BOTH the conscious and GUILT to make an apology thread, is demosntobable of the fact that your intentions were sincere, but also this “white guilt” complex is systemic.

You did NO wrong by calling out a black racist. I think it was a healthy post.

Hats off to you.

Resident cynic.

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/an-apology-might-be-in-order/#post-71235 <![CDATA[Reply To: An apology might be in order…]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/an-apology-might-be-in-order/#post-71235 Sun, 21 Jun 2015 08:06:35 +0000 Ancientwisdom To address this thread in more detail: I WISH I could have a meaningful bond/friendship with some of the black people I know. I grew up having deep roots in: jazz, regae, mod, blues, rock, and punk rock music. Most of which had an affinity to black roots. I f~~~ing DIG that s~~~! Their ability to express thselves in such a slick way: cool as F~~~!

When I listen to some of the artistic talent they created I am moved beyond words. Simply inspirational.

The problem becomes when EVERY issue is racist. Even if it occurred before EITHER of us even existed. I believe the media attempts to drive blacks against whites, and THAT created a false sense of division that doesnt even exist.

From my perspective as a white man I can say this: the ONLY division I feel with blacks, is that THEY view ME as racist. Which I will NOT tolerate, because I am not.

Resident cynic.

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/an-apology-might-be-in-order/#post-71258 <![CDATA[Reply To: An apology might be in order…]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/an-apology-might-be-in-order/#post-71258 Sun, 21 Jun 2015 09:59:40 +0000 Mana Knight Saw no wrong in it.

 

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/an-apology-might-be-in-order/#post-71266 <![CDATA[Reply To: An apology might be in order…]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/an-apology-might-be-in-order/#post-71266 Sun, 21 Jun 2015 10:28:26 +0000 experienced “I was deeply offended and will no longer post on this site.”

(thunderous applause…)

(…continues)

 

“Wait a second.”

 

 

BTW just joking.

You did fine.

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/an-apology-might-be-in-order/#post-71274 <![CDATA[Reply To: An apology might be in order…]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/an-apology-might-be-in-order/#post-71274 Sun, 21 Jun 2015 10:56:13 +0000 MrCoweater Roy Dal: Damn, I must be a crummy person! I’m a firm believer in using women to achieve my goals.

If I was in a corporate office workplace, I’d frequently point out that I looked scruffy and needed a promotion at work to buy a new suit and managers might overlook our team’s performance due to other teams looking better and being more presentable to clients. If the women in my team wanted to promote a woman to leadership instead I’d suggest taking up donation plate to buy me new threads. My being promoted would probably be seen as the lessor evil. Appealing to a woman’s fashion sense and their perception of themselves as being lowered by others new handbags or better colour co-ordination or people they work with or other vanity can work wonders for motivating women to do things that are in your favour.

Women are vain, I believe firmly in using them not just as sex toys but to achieve whatever it is I want. I’d even stoop so low as to use feminists to demonise men, women and those unsure to get a pay rise. All hail the dollar!

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/an-apology-might-be-in-order/#post-71288 <![CDATA[Reply To: An apology might be in order…]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/an-apology-might-be-in-order/#post-71288 Sun, 21 Jun 2015 11:27:25 +0000 RoyDal

Roy Dal: Damn, I must be a crummy person! I’m a firm believer in using women to achieve my goals.

If I was in a corporate office workplace, I’d frequently point out that I looked scruffy and needed a promotion at work to buy a new suit and managers might overlook our team’s performance due to other teams looking better and being more presentable to clients. If the women in my team wanted to promote a woman to leadership instead I’d suggest taking up donation plate to buy me new threads. My being promoted would probably be seen as the lessor evil. Appealing to a woman’s fashion sense and their perception of themselves as being lowered by others new handbags or better colour co-ordination or people they work with or other vanity can work wonders for motivating women to do things that are in your favour.

Women are vain, I believe firmly in using them not just as sex toys but to achieve whatever it is I want. I’d even stoop so low as to use feminists to demonise men, women and those unsure to get a pay rise. All hail the dollar!

Attack their weaknesses, avoid their strengths. Attack is always better than defense. Know your enemy and you have won before the war starts. This is straight out of Sun Tzu’s Art of War, Machiavelli’s The Prince and Robert Greene’s 48 Laws of Power! Take your pick.

I cannot extol those books enough. That goes double for 48 Laws of Power. If you want to survive, live long, and prosper in a hostile hierarchy, then you need this knowledge. Hint: All hierarchies are inherently hostile to those who can’t obey their unwritten rules.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/an-apology-might-be-in-order/#post-71304 <![CDATA[Reply To: An apology might be in order…]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/an-apology-might-be-in-order/#post-71304 Sun, 21 Jun 2015 12:49:27 +0000 BONE As a black man myself I can tell you right now racism is alive and well in the black community, it’s kinda embarrassing for me to admit this honestly but I see it every single day, it doesn’t help that all these bulls~~~ schools are teaching our people that “we used to be slaves, the WHITE MAN used to beat us and f~~~ our wimmenz!!”. If you ask me, we all bleed through similar viens (thanks 2pac) so it doesn’t matter what “race” (god I hate that word) you are.

 

P.S: The very first slave owner was a black man by the way.

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