MGTOWZero Growth in the US… are you prepared? – MGTOW https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/zero-growth-in-the-us-are-you-prepared/feed/ Tue, 09 Jun 2020 08:30:50 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=2.5.14-6684 en-US https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/zero-growth-in-the-us-are-you-prepared/page/209/#post-96406 <![CDATA[Zero Growth in the US… are you prepared?]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/zero-growth-in-the-us-are-you-prepared/page/209/#post-96406 Sat, 08 Aug 2015 13:00:00 +0000 economist Hello there everybody. There’s a topic that i’ve been putting a lot of thought into lately and I’ve been wondering what y’all were thinking. I’m sure many of you have noticed that due to the Quantitative Easing program (AKA QE) that the Fed instated a couple years back, interest rates in the U.S. have been less than stellar. I’m currently getting .05% on my savings account. No that is not a typo. This is due to the fact that QE is basically a money printing scheme, devaluing the US dollar and thus keeping growth rates extremely flat. Supposedly this has been preventing a double dip recession, but the program is supposed to end around September.

That leaves us in a position to look forward. What do you see happening as QE ends? I believe the stock market will contract significantly (The growth we’ve seen since ~2008 has all been propped up anyway) and we will enter deflation, thus causing prices to drop. People who are over extended or in untenable positions debt wise will see interest rates go up, and they will be discouraged from further borrowing. In general, prices will go down. I feel like that period of economic malaise will actually be a perfect time for real estate investment as prices should be low and the market will be flooded with foreclosures.

Does anyone else share my sentiments? Or am I completely off base here? Admittedly I’m pretty young, so I’ve never lived through this kind of event before. Any older guys have any knowledge to share? Thanks.

]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/zero-growth-in-the-us-are-you-prepared/#post-96413 <![CDATA[Reply To: Zero Growth in the US… are you prepared?]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/zero-growth-in-the-us-are-you-prepared/#post-96413 Sat, 08 Aug 2015 13:17:24 +0000 Bad Ass Don’t think anyone is sure if the next stage of the cycle is inflation or deflation. There are as may economists who think all that QE money must end up somewhere creating inflation. Your scenario is equally plausible but let us hope you are wrong. If there is another bout of deflation we will all be screwed as governments have no more monetary stimulus. A solution may be to print money and give it away via a tax cut but such a policy has never been implemented before.

]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/zero-growth-in-the-us-are-you-prepared/#post-96417 <![CDATA[Reply To: Zero Growth in the US… are you prepared?]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/zero-growth-in-the-us-are-you-prepared/#post-96417 Sat, 08 Aug 2015 13:22:13 +0000 Untamed Hi Econo. It’s always a buyer’s market during “crises” and I think the best to cover your wealth is Real Estate. Buy as much LAND as you can and if it has water on it buy it TWICE.

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]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/zero-growth-in-the-us-are-you-prepared/#post-96470 <![CDATA[Reply To: Zero Growth in the US… are you prepared?]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/zero-growth-in-the-us-are-you-prepared/#post-96470 Sat, 08 Aug 2015 15:29:29 +0000 BiG_Weasel I think we’re heading to where Greece is now.  The numbers simply don’t add up.  The kicker is, though, that since 70% of the US economy is consumer spending, the only way (and I mean only, because we’re a bunch of lazy, ignorant effs) to get people out into the street to protest and get real change (or maybe even another Civil War) is to hit them in the wallet.  Austerity will really eff up this country.  When fat AWALT has her benefits cut, and she can’t afford to buy her cigs and stuff, people will take up arms.  Otherwise, they’ll just keep on keeping on.

]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/zero-growth-in-the-us-are-you-prepared/#post-96473 <![CDATA[Reply To: Zero Growth in the US… are you prepared?]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/zero-growth-in-the-us-are-you-prepared/#post-96473 Sat, 08 Aug 2015 15:36:47 +0000 Beer Higher interest rates don’t scare me at all…I don’t see what the big deal is if mortgages go from 3.75% to 4% when a generation ago rates were in the double digits.  We will still be hovering down near all time low rates.  I actually think higher rates are good to an extent…make it less appealing for stupid people to get buried in debt and go claim bankruptcy, and make it more rewarding for savers and retirees when you can actually get a return that beats inflation in something safe, like a CD.

QE though…it scares the crap out of me.  I’m not an economist but when you basically add trillions of dollars of monopoly money into circulation…well welcome to the current stock bubble we are in.  I don’t know what the plan is to deal with the aftermath of QE…but it seems like if they leave all the monopoly money in the game we are going to be coming into a high inflation period as they have managed to cook the books over the last 8 years to keep the inflation numbers looking low even though they don’t feel it.  I think if this happens, it would be in your best interest to borrow as much money from banks as humanly possible in the next few months, as it’ll be cheaper to pay it back after a few years of high inflation.  If they try to siphon some of the monopoly money out of the game we are going to have a period of super low inflation or possible deflation, and a massive asset bubble popping, so expect stocks and real estate to tumble, so sit on cash right now and wait for the sale.

That’s why QE scares me…I see two very different outcomes in the near future, and how I’d want to play either are complete opposites.  It will probably be up to the next administration to up the mess left behind by the current.  For now I’m just sitting on cash.  If they start raising rates soon we’ll probably get a knee jerk reaction in the stock market, so we’ll have a nice chance to bargain hunt until people realize a .25% increase in rates really is more symbolic than anything.  If we get a decent drop when that happens I’ll be putting some money into some large companies that pay dividends to hold long term.  Meanwhile, I’m also keeping an eye on oil prices.  The world’s oil dependence isn’t going away anytime soon…sooner or later oil prices are going to rise again so putting some money into big oil and midstream companies if the energy sector gets battered much more might be a good long term investment.

]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/zero-growth-in-the-us-are-you-prepared/#post-96477 <![CDATA[Reply To: Zero Growth in the US… are you prepared?]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/zero-growth-in-the-us-are-you-prepared/#post-96477 Sat, 08 Aug 2015 15:41:55 +0000 RoyDal This has been coming for a long time. Real estate should get you through, along with cash on hand — not in a bank. OTH, they could outlaw both, but then things will degenerate into a blood and guts scenario if they make renting real estate and holding cash illegal.

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]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/zero-growth-in-the-us-are-you-prepared/#post-96710 <![CDATA[Reply To: Zero Growth in the US… are you prepared?]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/zero-growth-in-the-us-are-you-prepared/#post-96710 Sun, 09 Aug 2015 02:03:36 +0000 Ninja
Beer wrote:

Higher interest rates don’t scare me at all…I don’t see what the big deal is if mortgages go from 3.75% to 4% when a generation ago rates were in the double digits.  We will still be hovering down near all time low rates.  I actually think higher rates are good to an extent…make it less appealing for stupid people to get buried in debt and go claim bankruptcy, and make it more rewarding for savers and retirees when you can actually get a return that beats inflation in something safe, like a CD.

Normally higher interest rates are a good thing except today the global economy is in such an abysmal state that if Fed decides to raise interest rates it would cause a chain reaction of failures across the entire globe. This means that a higher interest rate would increase the amount of money the government would have to pay on the interest on the national debt. Not to mention most financial vehicles such as derivatives are based off the interest rates, we are talking trillions of dollars that are ready to implode.

]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/zero-growth-in-the-us-are-you-prepared/#post-97019 <![CDATA[Reply To: Zero Growth in the US… are you prepared?]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/zero-growth-in-the-us-are-you-prepared/#post-97019 Sun, 09 Aug 2015 14:23:20 +0000 economist Ninja, would the “explosion” if assets that you speak of be harmful to everyone? Or only to the people who have a large exposure to those assets? Essentially: would I, with a large chunk of liquidity, and no exposure to the market, stand to profit from that? Wouldn’t that be a good time to buy or am I oversimplifying?

]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/zero-growth-in-the-us-are-you-prepared/#post-97021 <![CDATA[Reply To: Zero Growth in the US… are you prepared?]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/zero-growth-in-the-us-are-you-prepared/#post-97021 Sun, 09 Aug 2015 14:37:18 +0000 Beer If stocks take a big drop while you are sitting on cash, it is a great opportunity for you to buy low.  However, if we get hit with a few years of high inflation while you are sitting on cash getting a .05% return in a savings account you will end up essentially losing money.

It just sucks now because a crash is becoming more and more imminent so its pointless to buy when we are still at the peak of a bubble…hopefully we get the crash before the inflation so we can get our money into something that will have returns that at least keep pace with inflation.

]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/zero-growth-in-the-us-are-you-prepared/#post-97069 <![CDATA[Reply To: Zero Growth in the US… are you prepared?]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/zero-growth-in-the-us-are-you-prepared/#post-97069 Sun, 09 Aug 2015 16:30:50 +0000 Ninja Globally it would affect everyone on the planet, on an individual level you would probably get wiped out completely, if you have large exposure to the market. In terms of actions to take, Beer is correct.

However we live in very uncertain times and many actions to take in the market that may seem intuitive would be pointless on the offhand chance that the currency turns into toilet paper.

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