Let me backtrack a bit. A buddy of mine is in the Navy and he is back on leave this week, he has been with the same girl who left her husband because he was a drunk and got with him while they were both in “A-School”, right after boot camp. Needless to say he has cheated on her numerous times as well as every other long term he has been with.

I forget exactly what started our conversation in to marriage, but we were talking about my future plans or goals, whether I want to keep contracting with the military or whether as I am continuing my education to try and get into the Air Force ROTC. Anyways, the conversation led to him saying, “I believe you will be married in 5 years”, (regardless of the fact that I have not had a serious relations~~~ since 2011… lol). He is basically projecting his wants and desires on to other people, the mindset that “I want it, its good, so everybody else will like it”. Well I proceeded to fill him on on what exactly a marriage is, a legally binding contract that will cost you a ton of money with high odds that it will end and cost you even more if kids are involved, (He also doesn’t believe I will never have kids lol…). He claims to have known all this, even down to “Well a kid wont cost you $400,000 at once!” At this point I knew this conversation was going no where. I looked him right in the eyes and said, “And?” He didnt have an answer. This is a guy who at 19 right before he joined the Navy wanted a perfect marriage with a literal white picket fence. PURE beta Bulls~~~, f~~~ing hilarious.

The conversation pretty much ended with me telling him he is deluded and needs to do some research. I asked him a ton of questions such as, “How many people who are married do you know that are truly happy? How many do you know that have a ton of problems and have kids involved? What about divorces that you personally know of? Especially being military?” This did not actually get very many good responses out of him believe it or not, just that I was “looking at all the negatives”, he even compared marriage and my views of it to the ROTC saying, “well your just looking at the negatives! Im sure you have seen negative stuff about the ROTC and officer life in the military but you wont talk about it!” I let him know that I indeed have, the good outweighs the bad, the negatives of a job or career IMO will be lighter than ones in a bad marriage, I tried telling him that I am WEIGHING the negatives. A job or career where you are treated like s~~~ (except military for the most part) you can leave, easily. A marriage requires a lawyer, legal fees, child support, dealing with s~~~ from her while married and during the divorce, constant stress and etc to get out, the thing is YOU GUYS here on this forum understand, a lot of you have been there in a s~~~ty marriage. He hasn’t of course, but what is sad is while I can read your guys’ posts and feel for you he is totally incapable of thinking outside of a fairytale. Told him that word for word. He doesnt understand that you can indeed learn where others have faltered. Even tried explaining to him, good luck doing what you want to do while married. Traveling, buying s~~~ for yourself with YOUR money, etc. Good bye to that man.

Btw the question that I asked him that stumped him the most was, “Why?”. He couldnt answer that, seemed to pass it right over.

The kinks had it right years ago…

That should do it.

He doesnt understand that you can indeed learn where others have faltered.

Does your friend like firecrackers? Would he consider lighting one and putting it in his pocket?!

Bet him $1000 that he’ll be divorced before you’re married That should do it.

I will totally say that man!

RoyDal wrote:

mrpropmech wrote:

He doesnt understand that you can indeed learn where others have faltered.

Does your friend like firecrackers? Would he consider lighting one and putting it in his pocket?!

Sure seems like it eh?

Tell your friend to enjoy his life first. When and IF he is decides to marry, be prepared to be forced to the bottom of the priority list. I think of life as a personal totem pole.

1. single – top of the pole – everything is about you

2. relationship – drop 1 spot, because she becomes the priority

3. – children – drop to the bottom of the pole, you are the the last priority

4. Divorce – you are buried underground to support the entire totem above you. Integral to the totem but nobody gives a f~~~ that you are supporting  it.

5 – build a new totem and move on, knowing that the whole totem is actually you. Nobody has the right to dictate what you feel or think.

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That was more than seven years ago. My single status hasn’t changed. And my MGTOW beliefs have become even stronger ever since. I used to think that not wanting to have another fiancee who would change her mind about me and cheat on me days before the wedding was a good enough reason to become MGTOW. Things have changed since 2005. Now it’s all about my happiness, my money, my wants and desires, and seeing/hearing about what other men are going through, and seeing the numbers of toxic women in my local area skyrocket in their numbers.

Mostly RELATIVES have been telling me this “you’ll be married in 5 years” bulls~~~. Finally, in 2013, long after the 5-year mark had by Infonaut” target="_blank" href=”#81922374″> expired from their predictions, I purposely rubbed it in their faces at a Thanksgiving party. I couldn’t help myself, I just wanted to prove them wrong and to see the looks on their faces. I said something along the line of, “HA! I’m still single and it’s been more than six years instead of the FIVE you predicted! If I were you, I wouldn’t take a job predicting the weather or trying to make speculations on stock market quotes, because you couldn’t even PREDICT what you thought one of your own relatives would do or wouldn’t do!”

They weren’t trying the “you’ll be married soon enough” or “you’ll be married in 5 years” excuse this time. By then, they had gotten p~~~ed that I wasn’t adding babies and another chatty woman to the family for them to admire. One of my aunts bitterly said I was “selfish for not finding a good woman out there who’s been trying to find a good husband” and went on saying I was ruining my future and potential. I sent a torpedo right back at her that said, “You’ve been married for 20 years. If you were so happy in your marriage, you’d be focused more on THAT instead of trying to sell a spoiled, rotten sandwich to others just because you don’t like the taste of it, so you want to pass it off on others.” I then told her that if I was married and truly happy to have a wife, I’d be focused more on OUR relationship instead of giving a s~~~ about what other people are doing with their personal lives.

The torpedo of truth struck home and blew her out of the water. To this day, she still won’t talk to me or even look me in the eye anymore. Doesn’t matter. She was one of my least-favorite aunts and she’s been married to an asshole for those 20 years who has treated me like garbage since they got married, but everyone in my family loves him because he doesn’t treat THEM the same way, and he just so happens to be a Mormon bishop, so none of my relatives will tolerate my “he better change his attitude around me” talk.

Just more reason to see less of my relatives. I’m turning 30 in a couple of months, and it will just p~~~ them off even more to see me at the next reunion or family-picture picnic without a wife and kids in tow. LOL. I love p~~~ing them off in that way.

The main reason that they’re angry at me? Not just because their prediction hasn’t come true, but also because I seem to be living a good, happy life all on my own without the “assistance” of a woman.

The torpedo of truth struck home and blew her out of the water. To this day, she still won’t talk to me or even look me in the eye anymore. Doesn’t matter. She was one of my least-favorite aunts and she’s been married to an asshole for those 20 years who has treated me like garbage since they got married, but everyone in my family loves him because he doesn’t treat THEM the same way, and he just so happens to be a Mormon bishop, so none of my relatives will tolerate my “he better change his attitude around me” talk.

I want to shake your hand for this. I don’t really much talk to my extended family too much. My aunt has said similar things nothing to the point of me needing to tell her off. She pretty much stopped after she saw it wasn’t getting anywhere. Isn’t it funny how the most judgmental or assholish people are sometimes the most religious?