Look, fellas, if that’s gonna be the level of discourse, and if a couple discontents are gonna decide what YOUR OWN WAY can or can’t be, what are we doing here ? We should be back arguing with real women.

As for religion being connected to MGTOW you said it well already. MGTOW stands for men going their own way. You choose that path that you believe is the best path to going your own way. If this path includes God then I say cool. If this path is without God I say cool. If this path includes hurting people I say not cool. Not to radical point of view but simple enough I think.

The only reason I would think that people have a problem mixing MGTOW and God is that God is kinda like a woman. Telling you what to think and how to act and where to spend your money. Any of the pros for God even sound like some of the reasons that woman would make for marriage, it brings you love, comfort, stability, soundness of mind, peace, and companionship. So I can see why some people would not like the 2 mixing and even make the argument that you are just replacing woman with God and you are not truly going your own way IE priests, monks, shamans, any holy man that is not able to be married really.

I would counter this by saying since you are not directly speaking to God and getting his direct input but, more using his teachings to guide your decisions to stay on his preferred path, that God is an abstract or ideal that you choose to be more like and not a slave to. This is different from the relationship you would have with a woman who will force and coerce your path into what is convenient for her regardless of what you want.

So while the rewards and goals between a woman and God are similar the way you move along the path is the key difference and should be taken into consideration.

The thing I can’t stand about people that love to hate on religious people is how hypercritical they can be. Like, your an idiot if your practice Muslim, Christian/Judaism but your ok if your religion is obscure or taboo. If your a into karma and Buddhism your just trying to better yourself. If you practice ooga-booga from the extinct people of x obscure place your open minded. If you are into Satanism your the poor oppressed eccentric, and should be applauded.

Most of the time though, its people that have a chip on there shoulder for whatever reason (some people legit felt oppressed by parents forcing their religion on them).

The people like Bill Nigh are just as annoying to me as the televangelist he’s arguing with. Its such a stupid point to argue, its metaphysics on a personal level. The argument will never have a resolution, its a waste of breath. People have been arguing (and war) about the metaphysical since the beginning of time and I don’t see that changing any time soon.

….however, lol,

Most mainstream religious sects have really been comfort molded (dr.schols style) to the old values and systems that most women take complete advantage of. Women want again all the perks of both genders. Take Christianity: No sex till marriage (except for the stud she cheats with while she dates the good guy), You have to pay all the bills but she gets to quit her job (and do zero household work), ect.

That’s my only problem certain religions, people like to wear them like a cloak to hide behind. They use the rules of the religion as leverage for there own interests. Women and men do, but women are the worst offenders (every day normal people, not the nut case fanatics).

Anyway, my feeling is that faith is okay for a MGTOW, but being subservient to the church and a congregation and the values and objectives of that congregation (never heard of a church that advocated sex and was anti-marriage) is inconsistent with going your own way.

Read the various religious texts, pick and choose your own morals, believe in a grand architect or not as you desire, but if you let a preacher or a rabbi or a father tell you what is right and wrong for you, I can’t take you seriously when you say you’re going *your own* way.

That’s exactly how I approach my beliefs, salad bar that s~~~. Take what you need and makes sense for you. Use your own mind and heart to figure out what you need….but again, what works for me has no bearing on what works for others. Some people need a social group to feel at peace with themselves, and there is not a thing at all wrong with that.

Only thing I stress is, use your mind and don’t impose (or do, but don’t complain if there are consequences and confrontations because of that). If your religious/non-religious beliefs require you to puke it all intravenous style on the people your talking to then its more like an attempt at validating your beliefs rather then self healing and discovery.