I cannot fill your emotional pit,
And I can’t take more of your bile.
I erred in taking life’s walk with you,
And I refuse to go another mile.

You expect me to share your misery,
And to tolerate your slothful ways.
You’re a string of contentious complaints,
And for it aren’t any more days.

You’re just too slow to understand
That living within your means,
Is also about emotional stress,
And not just money and things.

There’s a price to pay for emotional stress,
And I can’t pay for what your life breeds.
So until such time as you’ll accept a fix,
I’ll have no more a heart that bleeds.
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There is no beauty you posses,
That isn’t marred by an ugly tongue.

There is no talent you contribute,
That isn’t grudgingly done.

There is no pleasure you can give,
That doesn’t demand my soul.

There is no benefit to be had,
That makes you worth it on the whole.
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The Venus trap has within its lure
An enticement, restraint must e’er endure

The black widow’s web is a place to fear
There’s an hour glass shape showing death is near.

He is a fool who succumbs to passion
And dares the snare of the pretty poison.
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What led up to my posting these was a run in with a female member of that site. I allowed myself to be baited into an argument over atheism vs theism. I’m the theist. My original post was about my desire to avoid involvement with women and a way to do it. This was before I heard about MGTOW. I didn’t even know what MGTOW stood for. Anyway… The woman in question decided to turn my post into a debate about her pet issue. I guess she didn’t like what I was suggesting about a male only community where a man could go to get away from feminist contempt. (I’m just tired of being exposed to it and there doesn’t seem to be any way to get away from it.) My idea had a religious/monastic theme. Anyway… What the discussion amounted to what her expressing her contempt for theism. I ended the discussion by conceding because it was going nowhere except to more contention. I put her on ignore and decided I decided I didn’t want any more interaction with women even if they claimed not to be feminists. From my perspective, feminist or not, women still do not offer anything but aggravation. I then decided to go on a fishing trip with my poetry. If women left a comment, that would identify them; I didn’t bother to read their comment, I just put them on ignore. That way, I didn’t have to be troubled with their complaints. However, the next time I tried to log into the forum, I couldn’t. I wrote an email to the forum manager which he never responded to, which meant to me that I was on ignore. So… there you go. Even in a venue where men are to have a voice, I got kicked out because of women.

So please make yourself at home.
Enjoyed your poetic rhymes.

AVFM originally and almost immediately reached out to us the moment we opened our doors and offered “a handshake in passing” (an official article by that name followed) to which we were very receptive – wishing us well at establishing a footprint in the Manosphere. Although this gesture was not necessary in my opinion, we did a little clicking around and noticed the presence of some animosity between both groups – which we don’t fully understand and have no real interest in caring about. We offer our out-stretched hand to EVERY man with questions or answers, or a desire to find a place where he can “belong” and kick his shoes off without some bitch giving him s~~~ for leaving them in the middle of the room.

Even MGTOW will occasionally sling flaming arrows at each other, and I have connected with a few others who were automatically “banned” and ejected without good (or some silly) reason from the previous MGTOWForums, which according to some reports (and experience), had a rather hostile Gatekeeper who was ultra-rigid about those he accepted into the discussions. Can’t blame though, the attempts to infiltrate must have been overwhelming at times, and it might have worked for them to make it policy to eject – rather than accept – for a variety of reasons.

Found it surprising that you were booted from AVFM, but thanks for your respectable retraction and announcing why it could have been misunderstood. It seems curious that they have female(s) headlining some of their videos, article and comments, but there was one which I found to be MOST disturbing….. where a woman opened an “A VOICE FOR MEN(?)” video with all the inappropriate sarcasm only a woman can muster. The video starts, and her first words are “3 minutes and I haven’t been raped yet. It’s a good day.”…. as if this was some kind of attempt at humor. Now I don’t know about you guys, or your standards, but when I am about to sit down and watch a video intended to be in the male best interest – among an endless sea of gynocentric bulls~~~ we are all sick of DROWNING in – to hear a woman begin with: “3 minutes and I haven’t been raped yet. It’s a good day.” is enough for any man to say he has finally had ENOUGH. OF. THAT. S~~~.

Don’t even care what the message was beyond that point, it was ruined right out of the gate.

Casting a woman as a speaker on behalf of men is capital B.A.D no matter what the context. You can meet “traditional” women anywhere who flatly REFUSE to identify as feminists, but they are some of the most toxic examples around. I can even think of a few in my own personal life, who even if they APPEAR to want to be a team player (or say they want a “traditional” relationship)….. that ALWAYS ends up being code-speak for “work like a slave so I can live comfortably”. This end game is perhaps the most DANGEROUS around, because it is packaged and presented as well meaning…. but it’s still just about giving women what they want.

No.

So I trotted over to AVFM while enjoying a nice cabernet and read a few more articles which – if not aware that the sarcasm is intentional – can be read right off the page as if a feminist / Jezebel wrote it. Sometimes in 3 full paragraphs. Some of it clever – perhaps TOO clever and snide – because sarcasm doesn’t translate in print. Sarcasm requires tone of voice and body language to be effective, and it is something women overuse to SUCH a degree that it allows them to claim plausible deniability and turn around at ANY time to say “that’s not what I meant”. Convenient.

Women don’t even know when (or why) they are using it! It’s just caked on everything like ranch dressing.

If you don’t SAY WHAT YOU MEAN… you cannot possibly MEAN WHAT YOU SAY.

And that’s why silly sarcasm needs to stay THE F~~~ out of male discussions and the Manosphere – especially at AVFM – unless you know exactly how to use it. Like when brilliantly toppling a debate opponent’s statue with a cutting sarcastic remark AFTER you have said everything else and communicated it clearly.

• Barbarossa is direct, and is VERY CLEAR when he is being sarcastic.
• Sandman is so straight in his delivery I have never heard him be sarcastic in any ONE of his 190 videos.
• Chapin is facing the camera at all times and his crooked mouth and over-animated style shows CLEARLY what he means, and when he doesn’t.
… and MANY MGTOW lay it right on the line with no room for misinterpretation.
But a woman who looks at her watch and starts off a video by saying “3 minutes and I haven’t been raped yet. It’s a good day”??

F~~~ off.

That’s why I prefer the male-only delivery of the message. And I know I’m not alone.
Nice chatting. And welcome again.

Big MGTOW interest up there. When I check stats, there can usually be found visitors from the Toronto area – as much as New York and Seattle and elsewhere on the wet coast. Sandman (a well known MGTOW Youtube video producer) is also from Toronto. I listen intently with fascination when he mentions it.

Upon self examination… I recognize that I’m a bit angry. I mean, look at the tone of my poetry. I do see your point however. I should be at peace with my decision to ghost out and not care about the unfairness of the goals of feminism or even simply the unfairness of my past personal experiences. I should move forward and go my own way. On the other hand, without the anger, I might not have made the decision to go MGTOW. Ah well… the point is I’m here now. MGTOW!

There would be something wrong if something unjust did NOT make you angry.
No need to explain it away.

It’s one thing to be angry and staying angry. Paul is angry a lot, which is part of the reason I don’t trust him. The problem with AFVM is that what Paul says goes. I rather do my own thing and that’s why I don’t support him. Paul claims to be a MGTOW but his users really isn’t.

I have watched sandman videos. I sense a good influence from AFVM. Too much negativity for my taste, and videos like “enemy” surely turns me off. There is a saying “You are your own worst enemy”

Anger is due to lack of control of events. Because things didn’t go your way you get angry. That isn’t justice it’s an illusion.

I have learned from Tony Robbins, whatever you focus on is what you get. He talks about learning to drive a car at fast speeds. When they intentionly pop a tire it goes out of control. Of course Tony at first would look where he was going to crash but his instructor would move his head where he wanted to go. Of course it’s no guarantee to work 100% but it’s a much better chance.

If you focus on all the bad things women or feminist do you will see it even if it’s not there. If focus on something that will eventually be your reality. I don’t know about you but reading articles from AFVM.

Paul Elam is better well known in the men’s right movement but he’s also the loudest but least effect. Take a look at CAFE http://equalitycanada.com/ or National Coalition for Men. http://ncfm.org/ Both groups do a lot more than AFVM have done.