I noticed a pattern amongst mgtow-esque material out there on the web that have to do with white guys pairing up with asian girls as a means to get revenge or show off to the western/white girls who at one point or another rejected them or screwed them over.

As an ethnic Chinese guy who grew up in Canada, I pretty much consider myself Canadian at heart. However, having been raised by Chinese parents and being exposed to the inner workings of the Chinese/Asian community, it allows me insight into both sides of the coin.

There are two mutually exclusive types of Asian girls. It doesn’t matter if the girl is a westernized Asian or what we call FOB Asian (someone who grew up in Asia and only recently arrived). There’s the Asian girl who will only date Asian guys and there’s the Asian girl who will only date non-Asian guys (mostly white).

This is in marked contrast to western/white girls of which a large percentage are rather impartial to race. I know this is a cliche but it’s more about the individual guy himself and how he makes her feel than his background. In other words, a white girl doesn’t have a “purpose.” She isn’t going to date a white guy or an Asian guy or an Arab guy as some kind of political or cultural statement. She perhaps may mostly end up with a white guy because white guys are the kind of guys she happens to meet and also have more in common with but it’s not specifically because of his racial background.

Asian girls have a political purpose when choosing to date a white guy. I’m not saying there’s no genuine affection between an Asian girl and her white boyfriend. The two could very well be in love and have a great connection. But there’s a strong component in Chinese culture and upbringing that puts a strong emphasis on putting aside personal feelings for prestige reasons. Anyone who has lived in Asia and even experienced a little bit of the culture will know Chinese/Asian culture is very much about status and face.

Even though many Asian countries are as rich and technologically on par with western countries, there is still this pervasive inferior feeling of the Anglo-Saxon race. This inferiority complex began when Commodore Perry of the US Navy fired the first cannon shot in a Japanese harbour and when the Chinese lost the Opium wars against Britain. To you westerners, this may have been just another war from the hundreds of engagements that occurred but it was a serious psychological blow to the Chinese who for a large part of 2000 years thought of themselves as the most superior race and civilization. There are also more minor reasons such as aesthetics. Chinese and Asians value paler skin as an attractive sexual quality.

I’d like to emphasize that I am by no means a bitter Asian guy. I am happy for AF/WM couples who have found happiness with each other and have nothing against them. But sadly, most AF/WM couples, I actually believe the real victim is the WM. He is the one being exploited. On the outside, it looks like the opposite. The white guy with the colonial submissive asian girl. It doesn’t help that Asian girls are outwardly submissive in appearance to further persist that image. I grew up with white guys and many of them have been my good friends and colleagues. Besides the small minority who have some sort of “Asian fetish” or yellow fetish, I know that most white guys who end up with an Asian girl are sexually attracted to all kinds of girls.

What I’m worried about here is the devious thoughts of the Asian girl. It may feel good to a white guy who after receiving rejection or betrayal from western/white girls that he finds success with an Asian girl who is smitten with him and who is also thinner and more subservient and more sexually attractive than her western/white counterparts.

However, I’d like to put across some facts. I work in the consulting industry and I spent some time in Shanghai which has one of the largest western expatriate communities in Asia. I’ve seen lots of interracial dating, mainly AF/WM as most of the western expats are male. I recall an incident where I went to a party where everyone brought their spouses. Here are my observations:

1. The Chinese girlfriends of the White Males were almost 90% significantly of lesser beauty than the Chinese girlfriends/wives of the local Chinese guys. A part of this may be in the differential ways that Chinese guys and White guys perceive beauty but generally speaking, there was a marked contrast.

2. The few White female expats that were there, most of them came with a Chinese guy rather than a White guy.

3. The Chinese girlfriends of the local Chinese guys were not at all curious about the White guys and even viewed the the Chinese girls dating them with some disinterest and in a few cases, disdain.

4. There were all-white couples as well and this was mostly in the case where the White male was some sort of “higher up” or a real rainmaker. Someone like this could probably have his pick of the litter in both the west and China but his wife is a WF.

The above are just observations. And not universal truths obviously. But I have to say, I have seen more or less the same in cities in North America such as Toronto, San Francisco, etc.

Asian girls are the products of extremely patriarchal societies and they will use their sexuality for status. Here is one major pattern I’ve noticed. The Asian girls who exclusively date Asian guys are ones who had strong, good fathers. A good father figure is very influential in a girl’s mental and sexual maturity. The Asian girls who dislike or even despise Asian guys are almost exclusively ones who grew up in poorer socio-econonomic circumstances where the father was of low status and in some cases a domineering loser. Someone who could not hack it career-wise and support his family and was so ashamed of it and took it out on his wife and daughter.

Most Asian girls who grew up with a low status but domineering father will associate all Asian men with her father and paint them with a negative brush. She will prefer white guys. Now, if you’re a white guy dating this type of Asian girl, it may feel refreshing to have a girl who is all smitten with you. But those of us who have been in relationships before, particularly long-term relationships. The physical attraction and sex are like alcohol and drugs and their effects wear off over time. As popularly said, 50% of great sex is in the head and is about an intimate mental connection with your partner. Also, how much could you actually value a girl who disrespects her own father. Unless he was some abusive lunatic, he was most likely just an immigrant who found it difficult to adjust in western society and didn’t have the educational credentials. In better circumstances, he would have been a normal man.

In marked contrast, the Asian girls who exclusively date Asian guys are not only tend to be more physically attractive but their family backgrounds tend to be higher on the socio-economic ladder and most important of all, you’ll notice they have healthy relationships with their fathers. They respect men in general and although they are guilty of being status-conscious, they are of the lesser evil.

In summary, all I’m trying to do is to shed some light here. If you’re a white male and you’re having an awesome time with an Asian girl, all the power to you. But I’d like to make an observation that the guys who tend to be attractive and charismatic attract girls from ALL races. If you’re a white guy who has been rejected and stepped over by white girls but you’re finding success with Asian girls, it’s because those Asian girls have a political/cultural purpose in mind. They’re using you plain and simple and it may feel great now but over a long-term relationship, it’s going to come back and bite you.

As an Asian-Canadian male, I have no inferiority complex. I could be what you call a high status Asian male. I have a six figure salary, a good social life, and although I’m not good looking, I have had some sexual success with girls of all races. My reasons for going MGTOW are largely intellectual although personal experiences definitely play a role. But I have to say, in the small chance that I do decide to one day pursue a long-term relationship with a woman, it would be with a western/white woman.

I’ll take assertiveness, bluntness, and maybe even feminist leanings over deviousness, ulterior motives and the status-seeking and inferiority complexes of Asian girls any day. I believe MTOW has been overly harsh on western women (mostly deservingly so) but also has overlooked the deviousness of Asian girls.

On a more macro-economic note, I invite you to take a look at the birth rates of the richer East Asian nations such as South Korea, Japan and Taiwan. Their birth rates are even lower than most western countries. It’s obvious that in Asian societies where women become more liberated and have greater independence, they are just as devious and even more so than their female western counterparts.

That is all for now. Hope this was insightful.

P.S.

The best girlfriend I’ve ever had was this French-Canadian girl who with her Catholic upbringing and the fact that she grew up in a small town in Quebec and had no exposure to non-white guys swore that she would NEVER date outside of her race and viewed “immigrants” such as myself as undateable. She and I had a fabulous couple of years together. And she’s the only ex-girlfirend I view back with any sort of fondness.

Like I said before, most western/white girls, as members of the Anglo-Saxon race which for now is the most economically and technologically superior in the world, have no political gain by the guys they date. It all comes down to the individual and his qualities and to me as a visible minority, that’s what I’m grateful for. Read above for why this doesn’t work with Asian girls.

I agree with everything you’ve said so far about Asian women pretending to be the subservient stereotype that most Western men imagine… pour your beer, massage your back, make your lunch and call you honey all the time… sure, Japanese women are great for that! But it’s also true that they totally dominate their men in the home and that, I believe, is the cause of the tendency toward what you called “herbivore guys”.

In Japan they call them soushoku kei danshi which is literally “vegetable eating style men” as opposed to nikushoku kei danshi or meat eating style men. Japanese women will tell you that young men become soushoku kei because of the twenty year long economic recession Japan has been going through… that there are no opportunities for bright, hard working young men to achieve wealth, buy big cars and houses and live it up with expensive food, clothes, parties and travel like they did back in the ’80s when Japan was on top.

The truth is, I believe, that this analysis has the entire equation backwards. The recession isn’t causing young men to drop out of consumer culture, live in tiny apartments, collect comic books, play video games, eat cup noodles and fantasize about f~~~ing robot women… young men dropping out has caused the recession.

While older women in Japan run the household (collecting their husband’s salaries and turning their modest homes into rococo nightmares of cats, doilies and cutesy s~~~), young women live at home and mooch off their fathers then go out and work throw-away jobs in retail and food service so that they can earn $30k a year which is 100% disposable. They take this money and use it to collect designer handbags, quaff frilly drinks in sparkly nightclubs, wolf down $50 gold leaf encrusted crepes, and take weekend vacations to Hawaii with their girlfriends. These women are called “parasite singles” because not only do they not need careers or husbands to pay their rent (living off their fathers, as they do), they know that no young man who might be willing to marry them could possibly keep them in the lifestyle to which they are accustomed.

These are the women that so many pick up artists and bitter old anglo men idolize as the perfect examples of traditional, 1950s style females. Sure, she’ll be dependent on you and treat you nicely until she can speak the language and stay in the country on her own legally, but she is definitely no NAWALT (or maybe AWANLT for Asian Women are Not Like That) and will sell you to the glue factory as fast as any other woman once she has used you for all you are worth to her.

This ex-fiancé of mine… she rolled up on me like a f~~~ing freight train full of flowers and makeup and t~~~ and made me WANT to believe that she was going to make my life better than it could ever possibly be otherwise. And I fell for it… for a time. But as soon as I proposed, the veil came off and I began to see her for what she was… just another woman who was looking for a mule to hitch her wagon to… and the wagons of her family and friends as well.

Don’t be fooled, men… they may be Asian Women but they’re still women. Culture and language barriers might mean it takes a bit longer for the shine to come off, but when it does, you do not want to wake up to that harsh reality having not only signed the contract, but having also paid the import fees as well. You think it’s hard to divorce an American woman… try paying to bring a woman over, marrying her, divorcing her and then having to pay to send her, your kids and half your stuff back with her.

Eddie Murphy RAW – Foreign women

Update:
At the 2:20 mark the new wife from Africa learns how to be an American Snowflake and gets a short course in divorce law.

He should have just shortened the whole thing and said all women are whores.

They have mastered the phony persona, smile and all, that they use to get men to do things for them.

When I was in grad studies in the late 1990s, we had a student from over there join us in the lab.  About 2 years after she arrived, I started courting her.  It turned out that she was still canoodling with the boyfriend I thought was out of the picture.

Looking back, I think she might have been flirting with me in hopes of getting an anchor baby in order to stay in the country.  (The kid would be a citizen for being born here and the media would have a field day if she was deported.)  It turned out, she didn’t have to worry about that.  She and the boyfriend eventually shacked up and they got married nearly 15 months later.  Their daughter was born about 2 or 3 months after that.

I also suspect she might have had an affair with our supervisor.  He was a randy old goat and she was enough of a slut to go along with it.  The thing is that she was clever enough as it was without having to resort to something like that.

As it turned out, she recently got tenure at a university elsewhere in the country.

From 2007-2010 my personal assistant was a Japanese girl. (23)  starting grad school HOT, kind of quiet, and we had a lot in common even though I’m older.

While she was doing stuff in my office, she talked a lot about her older sister (25) and her whole family thing. Funny thing was she was only interested in white guys

and the older one wouldn’t date anything but Japanese men. Both girls had the same dad. So, I think my experience has been different from yours. White guys like me have varied results with the asian girls and you are right: their family upbringing has a lot to do with how they are and what they expect from men.

I haven’t spent much time in Canada because I never enjoyed the weather, but I can imagine there are all kinds of different little pockets of multinational culture there. And good pickings for the hunters especially along the coast.

Anyway, I’ve had Chinese, Flip, Vietnamese, Korean, Japanese, Indonesian, and Malaysian girls over the years and at some point it was all the same: they needed money and especially for the Chinese ones a marriage so they could get a permanent VISA in the good ‘ol USA.  The last Flip girl got her walking papers when she was laying next to me after sex and mentioned that she might stab me in the middle of the night (WTF!!!!). The last Malaysian used me to get into the USA gov’t system to eliminate the cost and requirements of her visa by sucking dick and going up the ladder until she snagged a beta who had cash. Didn’t stop her from coming by one of my shows to “see if I was ok”. Jesus Christ. The Chinese girl was probably one of the most beautiful girls I’ve ever seen anywhere in the world but she stomped out and never came back when I told her I would get her the VISA but it would be 30 grand-her paying me- and no marriage contract. She found another guy and proceeded to take him to every restaurant we ever ate at to show off her engagement ring to all the staff. I’m not bitter about her though, that was some of the best pussy I’ve ever had, period.

I think MGTOW are each in charge of their own destiny my friend. MGTOW should date if they want to. Most of the ones that are older and single are still trying to recover financially from what their wives did. I’m rebuilding myself right now but every man should do what works for them. I’m not here to bash women but rather to try and educate and protect myself and other men from having their lives destroyed.

@ListenUp! said “the last Flip girl got her walking papers when she was laying next to me after sex and mentioned that she might stab me in the middle of the night (WTF!!!!).

Holy Shiet!

Time to Ghost Dog a Hoe!