MGTOWThe Red Pill Sux – MGTOW https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/the-red-pill-sux/feed/ Tue, 09 Jun 2020 09:46:53 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=2.5.14-6684 en-US https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/the-red-pill-sux/page/497/#post-7959 <![CDATA[The Red Pill Sux]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/the-red-pill-sux/page/497/#post-7959 Mon, 17 Nov 2014 06:25:05 +0000 AFT Hi everyone, I am a newly converted Red Pill realist.  Reality is hard to take in, a bitter pill indeed, as I look back I find it is the idealized relationship of a fantasy woman that I miss the most, not so much as any of the real nagging pesky women that I used to put up with.  I don’t want any of my ex’s back, I am just realizing that I’m craving for a fantasy woman that doesn’t exist, and slowly coming to terms with that, and adjusting my expectations, and strategy on how to live life accordingly.  How can I have been so deluded?  I have always been a stubborn man that never fully conformed, but now I see that even I caved in too much into a “deal” that was never in my interest.

I mean who wants to enter a contract where you get what you want some of the time when and if its allowed by the counter party for their total and ever increasing needs being met all the time, until they decide to end it and take all whenever they please?  I see the MGTOW movement as freedom from conforming to a gynocentric ideology, by lifting the veil of feminist deceit and seeing the real world as it is, and then (this is the hard bit where I’m at) trying to adjust.

Although its a year from my divorce, its just a month from my real red pill eye opening revelation.  I can see that now, I have a lot more opportunity, to focus on the most important thing, yes, myself, my future, potential, happiness and self actualization.  I laugh at the neediness and clinginess of women now, I am amazed at the number of “soul mates” I have found, which if they didn’t inform me I’d never have known.

I am free to concentrate on building up my career and future prospects without any interference from anyone.  Any time I feel lonely, I just remember the hard stressful times I went through and think of  the freedom I have now and loneliness is really just boredom dressed up in fantasy, as soon as I get myself going on a goal toward conquering another milestone, then I don’t have time to be “lonely”or bored.

Remember in order to be disillusioned, you need have an illusion in the first place.  That Red Pill destroyed my illusions, and now its time to build a new strategy based on self interest in reality.  That’s what I see MGTOW as, freedom to put myself first in a world that will do anything to stop me.

When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/the-red-pill-sux/#post-7960 <![CDATA[Reply To: The Red Pill Sux]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/the-red-pill-sux/#post-7960 Mon, 17 Nov 2014 06:44:07 +0000 Total Lee

That’s what I see MGTOW as, freedom to put myself first in a world that will do anything to stop me.

Excellent bottom line. Welcome AFT.

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/the-red-pill-sux/#post-8082 <![CDATA[Reply To: The Red Pill Sux]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/the-red-pill-sux/#post-8082 Tue, 18 Nov 2014 08:25:49 +0000 VileNord Another intelligent man has seen the light and revived his inner glory! Welcome brother!

Lust for comfort suffocates the soul

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/the-red-pill-sux/#post-8091 <![CDATA[Reply To: The Red Pill Sux]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/the-red-pill-sux/#post-8091 Tue, 18 Nov 2014 10:31:56 +0000 Keymaster @aft Welcome to MGTOW! Not 20 minutes ago I was clicking on something and ended up at website called “Authentic PUA” (pick up artist), and an article about MGTOW (dot com specifically). I was composing a reply to leave as a comment, but I didn’t finish. I saw your intro first.

as I look back I find it is the idealized relationship of a fantasy woman that I miss the most…… I am just realizing that I’m craving for a fantasy woman that doesn’t exist, and slowly coming to terms with that, and adjusting my expectations, and strategy on how to live life accordingly. How can I have been so deluded?

And coincidentally, his article is entitled “The Rise of MGTOW and Why I Still Need Women”:

http://mgtow.link/apua

…. so you can congratulate yourself for already knowing what he doesn’t. I enjoyed his criticisms and if you’re interested in my deconstruction of his article, perhaps I will post it here (if you like) because I think it would be worth more here than over there.

This sentence caught my eye…

“but on a deeper level I have a deep yearning need to GIVE of myself to a woman. To cherish and protect her. To have her look up to me.”

We can all see through that and how it’s bad / unrealistic for him to think that way.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.
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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/the-red-pill-sux/#post-8100 <![CDATA[Reply To: The Red Pill Sux]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/the-red-pill-sux/#post-8100 Tue, 18 Nov 2014 18:21:52 +0000 rastamon Couldn’t have said it better myself AFT. My wife (soon to be ex) will move out in 1 weeks time. Gone forever, leaving me free to live my life as I want. I have been in this exact situation before, her bags packed and flight home booked, but I caved at the last minute, convincing myself she was the fantasy woman in my mind, not the nagging, pesky woman dusturbing my reality. I will revisit this post daily until she is gone.

This post and the reality of beautiful women

 

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/the-red-pill-sux/#post-8837 <![CDATA[Reply To: The Red Pill Sux]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/the-red-pill-sux/#post-8837 Fri, 28 Nov 2014 02:35:54 +0000 AFT Thank you all for the warm welcome.

I am glad that Total Lee found my bottom line valid, and VileNord pointed out that is all about “inner game”.

I looked that article up KeyMaster, and found myself ROFLMAO, I mean, “You make me want to be a better man” it’s all in her frame, needy Fem-approval, and what is being a better man all about?  – as you quoted “To cherish and protect her. To have her look up to me.”  So his value of himself as a better man should be the Fem – approval of what she wants him to be, Huh, I prefer to value myself in terms of my success in seeking my own imperative.  Basically I want to live well, and be happy, successful, but most importantly “IN CONTROL” any woman that recognizes that and wants to please me is welcome.  Otherwise I don’t need to pass a bunch of s~~~ tests to get to become someone else’s tool for their Hypergamy.

As I stated I am trying to adjust, by putting myself first and developing a strategy to cope with my new red pill reality.  Part of the process is better understanding this reality and so, I have been busily reading “The Rational Male”.  As I am new in this process, I don’t profess to be an expert, just a very motivated convert.  Rollo Tomassi, take a swipe at MGTOW, as men running away, for me it’s about unplugging, finding myself, and resetting my social construct to a more positive enabling masculine framed self image.  I too cannot live completely without women, as Rollo points out my 12-17 times level of testosterone, gives me very definite urges and needs.  So I’m taking time out, constructing my positive masculine self image, and I know I’ll be better prepared for the Fem Centered world and dealing with women and the feminist environment.

Yes Rastamon, if you are anything like me, it is important to remember that there is nothing wrong with being with beautiful women, just never let any woman dictate the frame, doesn’t matter how beautiful,  we are responsible for our lives, so we need to put our imperatives first.  To me that is what being “a better man” is all about, putting yourself first and focusing on your own interest.

 

T

 

 

When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/the-red-pill-sux/#post-8840 <![CDATA[Reply To: The Red Pill Sux]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/the-red-pill-sux/#post-8840 Fri, 28 Nov 2014 02:47:36 +0000 Keymaster

“but on a deeper level I have a deep yearning need to GIVE of myself to a woman. To cherish and protect her. To have her look up to me.”

He hasn’t figured out yet how dangerous that sentence is.

We all know what he means. Truly. However it doesn’t work, and like it or not, he WILL eventually be forced to rethink it.

That sentence is an illusion. His strong emphasis on the word “GIVE himself” virtually guarantees she will not “look up to” him for it. It’s the first best way to be resented.

Admiration from a female does not come from pulling off your jacket and laying it down over a puddle so she can scamper over it to protect her shoes. She will only look DOWN on you for that. Nice for her, because it communicates that she is “superior” but that doesn’t get a man admired – and it’s bad for him.

You don’t even need to be a genius to understand that. Consider the way a woman giggles when you kneel to hold up a diamond to “ask for permission to love her”. That is the ultimate sign of weakness (the act of lowering yourself) and again – she is quite literally looking DOWN at you AS you are doing it.

Imagine a wedding photo where the groom is on his knees clasping her hand and gazing up at her. Now imagine a wedding photo where you are standing and she is also standing next to you. A BIG important difference. One is admiration and a partnership…. the other is “aw how cute, look what I can make him do”.

Cherish, OK. Protect, no.

What can a man “protect” a woman from that he himself won’t need protection from? A tornado? An atom bomb? A car accident? Implying a woman needs protection is actually a statement that you believe she is inferior and cannot protect herSELF.

So now anyone can see how – on one hand – treating her like she is SUPERIOR won’t work…… if you also think of her as INFERIOR in the same sentence. And that’s what I meant when I said he will eventually be forced to rethink it.


AND PS!…. I stumbled on Rollo some time ago and it was the first time I learned of the word “hypergamy”.
It was our inspiration for http://www.mgtow.com/video/hypergamy-doesnt-care/

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.
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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/the-red-pill-sux/#post-8849 <![CDATA[Reply To: The Red Pill Sux]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/the-red-pill-sux/#post-8849 Fri, 28 Nov 2014 03:59:57 +0000 AFT “That sentence is an illusion. His strong emphasis on the word “GIVE himself” virtually guarantees she will not “look up to” him for it. It’s the first best way to be resented.”

I remember a quote from a movie “Ferris Bueller’s Day Off” it went something like “it’s hard to respect someone that’s kissing your arse”.

I looked up that http://www.mgtow.com/video/hypergamy-doesnt-care/ link, and it mentions forgiving her youthful indiscretions.

It was for this guy, as he came home one day to find a video (which she kept since college) of his own wife sucking every alpha dick she could wrap her lips around, while getting glazed like a donut.”

Perhaps it’s when they are on that carousel that’s when they learn that looking up to men, means they get glazed.  Perhaps he needs to learn that its only the women that he glazes that are looking up to him.  Either way whoever controls the frame dictates the game, you’re either glazing her like a donut, or she’s preparing you to really get f***ed over.

When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/the-red-pill-sux/#post-8851 <![CDATA[Reply To: The Red Pill Sux]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/the-red-pill-sux/#post-8851 Fri, 28 Nov 2014 04:40:10 +0000 Keymaster There is no denying you can probably arrive at a mutual arrangement with a woman where if she’s your personal slut in the bedroom, you will be willing to “lower” yourself OUTSIDE the bedroom. This kind of understanding can be enjoyable for both. I’ve been there myself, but it’s still dangerous, because of the struggle of “power” which will always exist.

Eventually either HE will either display “too much beta” for her to remain turned on….
Or she could cause him to lose an erection because she asked for a 3-way anal session with his best friend.

A perfect balance is REALLY tough…. but not perhaps not impossible to maintain.
In any case, if he were to find such a perfect balance it would almost certainly be temporary.

That’s about as much rope as I can give him, but it’s still unbecoming from someone who markets themselves as an “authentic PUA”.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.
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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/the-red-pill-sux/#post-19545 <![CDATA[Reply To: The Red Pill Sux]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/the-red-pill-sux/#post-19545 Tue, 03 Feb 2015 02:19:58 +0000 AFT Hello Comrades, it has bee 2 months now, and I’m really feeling the pain of having my eyes opened to reality.  Sometimes I wish I could go back to being a blue pill chump.

I find it hard to motivate myself, it’s like my whole world is blown to smithereens, I find it hard to concentrate at work, I am feeling lonely and isolated at home, the red pill is f~~~ing with my sanity.  Its like I’m mourning the blue pill me, realizing that I can’t have the fantasy delusion I wanted.

F~~~, how long is this going to last?  How long will it take to rid myself of these feelings?  I need to move to a positive frame of mind, are there any tips on how to improve my mindset?

When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan

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