A few things, I’m thin, tall, late 30’s, live in the USA, have an IQ of 124. I’ve never been married (and I avoid fat women, women w/children, and women on psychotropic medications).

I have money (house, car, etc). I’ve been able to save a ton since I decided that dating women of quality was more important than quantity. Nobody has time to domesticate a whore. It led to a long hiatus in dating since women of quality are as mythical as unicorns.

I’m a professional and it pays me well.

I like the works of Warren Farrell (see: Myth of Male Power). And, I do find this forum to be hilariously chalked full of male solidarity (even though I’m not a misogynist, I find truth in what is said – even if a bit extreme).

Click here for data from CDC: Living in the USA has become a bit of nightmare due to the obesity epidemic that has turned 70-75% of the population into a bunch of whelaphants.

a) I don’t see the bulk of American (USA) men walking away for philosophical reasons. America runs on anti-intellectualism.
b) When the number above hits the 90-95% percentile, men will walk away in hordes because women are fugly (and the majority of me will be unable to get an erection without an epic dose of viagra).
c) When there is nothing physical or sexually attractive about the opposite sex men will disconnect.
d) I do see a correlation with the average man giving up on women (MGTOW being a small part of that) and the ever expanding waistline of women.
e) Thin women with Gremlin faces are now a hot commodity! In the 80’s they use to call these women double baggers.
f) I’m also sure that fat women are the reason that men have even lost the urge to produce sperm [click for article]. (or: it might be our owners carrying out their plans for population control by making women unattractive and filling our bodies with toxins — you can pick).

Unlike most men on here, I’m a progressive. I wanted a women that would be my equal. A woman that could help me blaze a better tomorrow. However, I was disillusioned when I found that women don’t want traditional or progressive. They want the best of both worlds (without the consequences of neither).
a) I think that traditional men and progressive men have common ground in the fact that the quality of women is toxic.
b) I can’t blame them since people are only as loyal as their options (and men allow them to get away with it).

I will admit that I’m as shallow as women are materialistic and I’m not afraid to admit it (I don’t hide behind a wall of butthurt or holier than thou rhetoric). The only reason men care to socialize with women is to f*#k ’em. If women take beauty, health, and attraction out of the equation (after abandoning family and femininity), men will give up.

iMorningstar wrote:

I like the works of Warren Farrell (see: Myth of Male Power).

I like Farrell too. He seems to be able to present the facts in a Blue Pill manner so he’s acceptable to a far wider audience.
He’s particularly effective at dealing with accusations of the Patriarchy. He quotes the average woman’s worth of $13,000 compared to $9,000 for men. This fact alone seems to stun people.
He goes through the whole gamut of gynocentric lies one by one and demolishes them all.

His real problem is he thinks laws are going to change.
He doesn’t get that he’s been doing this for about 30 years now and every single year the environment for men has become more toxic.
All his Men’s Rights Actions rests on two fundamental principles
1. That women are basically good.
2. That women are just ignorant on how toxic the system is towards men.
All MRAs believe their job is to inform women of the horror. They then believe that women are good people and they’ll then do something about it.

He won’t accept the blindly obvious,,,that every woman knows exactly how bent the system is, from street whores to female politicians, from school girls to trophy wives. They all know!
They all gossip and read trash magazines and shows everyday and rejoice in the latest divorce lottery winnings of cash and prizes. They all know!

No amount of revealing the facts or negotiating or being reasonable or patient has ever worked. The brilliance of hindsight shows it’s only ever done the opposite.
There’s only one coping strategy, go your own way.

I think the fact that Oprah loves him should be your biggest clue.

iMorningstar wrote:

Unlike most men on here, I’m a progressive. I wanted a women that would be my equal.

The views of the audience in this forum are very diverse. You will find anything from left to right, anarchist to conservative. Your views and ideas will add up to this and I hope you will share it with us.

I have seen myself as progressive, nearly left wing once. I hate inequality and unfairness. But I learned, for instance that there are very valid conservative views. I am still not a conservative or traditionalist or right wing, but now I listen to this people, think about what they told and it helped me a lot to see things beyond my horizon and adjust my understanding of the world.
Once I was convinced men and women are the same, only society made us different. Oh what a blunder and I truly believed in it. Reality in form of my own experiences as well as “conservative philosophy” corrected this believe. I think you are on the same road as I am.

By the way, we Germans have a saying: If you are 20 and not a communist, you have no heart. If you are 40 and still a communist, you have no brain.

Mistakes are great if you learn from it, but not everything people tell you is wrong is. Listen and think for yourself. I bet you do, otherwise you would not be here.

Welcome!

All ideologies work when applied in small communities (of like minded people). It’s when you try to apply it the masses (of uniformed knuckle-dragging mouth-breathers) that the ideology is corrupted.

As you age, you just become more of a cynic. You realize that humans are a failed evolutionary experiment that the earth should shake off like a dog with a bad case of the fleas.

@ Trail428

Being progressive in a society that is out to F*^# you (that sees you as disposable) is the best option.

You need to be as smart as a fox (and nobodies fool) or you end up cannon fodder. Don’t allow anything at all to tie you down.

Traditional males are being ripped apart and thrown into meat grinders for holding on to a belief system that went out the window the minute that divorce became fashionable.

As a disposable man, I’ve learned that we don’t own anything in life but our minds. Everything is fleeting. Everything that begins must end. The only two things that you can count on are being born and dying.

Living in the USA has become a bit of nightmare due to the obesity epidemic that has turned 70-75% of the population into a bunch of whelaphants.

In my younger days I’d flip a coin to determine which hole to plug, ass or vag.

More recently, one has to flip a coin twice. (The first flip to choose between holes and rolls)

Fat women give me an instant case of Erectile Dysfunction.

It’s not uncommon, to be unable to get an erection with a fat and/or ugly woman. ED is (mostly) a mental problem in men (and not physical). Therefore, men when presented with beautiful women (or: hot enough) can get an erection even if they have been diagnosed with ED.

Men in the study reevaluated their existing relationships. “My wife shamed me for ‘not being man enough,’” said 46-year-old James Hynes. “As it turns out she was just not attractive enough.” Hynes said that he has left his spouse and began dating online.

As it turns out: “Pfizer and Lilly have convinced men that if they have an old, ugly spouse or girlfriend that the problem is in between their legs,” said Stiener. “Once the full truth comes out the industry may experience a backlash that investors will find most deflating.”

The actual study can be found here: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-012-0058-9?no-access=true

It’s not uncommon, to be unable to get an erection with a fat and/or ugly woman. ED is (mostly) a mental problem in men (and not physical). Therefore, men when presented with beautiful women (or: hot enough) can get an erection even if they have been diagnosed with ED.

Not surprising and I bet a lot of those “ED” men wake up with woodies in the morning and they weren’t dreaming about naked fat women.