As far as his fundamentals while some of his rules can create a strong foundation, such as 1, 3, 4 for all and 5 if you’re part of the f~~~ gfs and wives group of our community. Some like #2 A man should drop preconceptions and cultural definitions of what a “man” is.  is flawed. Is he imply that we should define ourselves as we wish? So what if those who are MGTOWs with possesion of the children has a boy amongst them as says he wants to be gay? Are you just going to go be cool with it since the concept of man is left wide open as a MGTOW? No sir I believe we need some structure for this to work, not just give up on the concept of being a man as that is what the feminized society wants of us.

Again I realize that it is just his opinion but I am simply giving you my preliminary thoughts on this.

There is going to be risk of arguments and divides between what is a real male identity perception of MGTOW crowd, and the autonomy above all crowd in MGTOW.  There is also the brotherhood of man crowd, which will relate to the first.

I would be considered part of a radical autonomy perspective on things.  But, in my case, I would have issue if suddenly you had MGTOW go: “You are a married man, you don’t belong here, PARTICULARLY if you are happy!”.  I say MGTOW should offer all men support, even if the men with support aren’t single and committed to that, while that is part of the intro definition of what MGTOW is.

With that you would still run into the inherent flaw of not having an identity. While that may be understandable to the ones in the community,  if we are to allow the moderates within the community to attempt some sort of change, a “minimal” image is always required. I dare not say standard or ideal as those are far more exclusive. Yeesh I’m about to pass out so I guess I’ll end it for today by saying that I do agree that we should be more all-inclusive however we should keep it to those who have awakened which being single is not a requirement to be such. I swear it’s like dudes are so cynical that they presume that anyone with a gf is going to fail yet oddly enough I’m willing to bet that some know of at least one successful nuclear family household. If a MGTOW f~~~s up well you got eh I told you so beta male comment and then support them. After all much of the community are post divorce(s) red pills.

@leobez84,
Long time GF, married, confirmed bachelor, I don’t care. It is up to you to find and go your own way. Heck, I don’t even mind if you like or don’t like cats!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_Men_Don't_Eat_Quiche

What is or is not a “man” gets put here.  Tradcons get into that, as does neo-masculinity.  Actually, looking a bit more at the book, it might be worth a look at, as the Wiki entry looks like it might get into describing Manginas.

I am also thinking I may do a video on Bronies soon.

Also, leo, regarding your place, I do believe you should get support, even if you aren’t in the pure definition of MGTOW, you can benefit from gaining a mentality of a MGTOW.  I do believe that, if you are in a relationship, and the woman with you allows you to do what you you want/need to do, there isn’t a reason to just get rid of her.  If you find your identity ends up violated, and you end up less of a man as a result, then you have decisions to make.  Idea is to be less needy inside, and grow and mature.

Richard that’s just it even the acronym does not indicate purity. If we’re to simply go our own way, it indicates that we’re protecting ourselves in our own way from the system. Maybe its the military man in me, but I seriously would love to see an actual doctrine because considering the inconsistency of the meaning of the term, we should not even be at a phase where people judge others yet. Hell some within our own community are even trying to compare themselves to fully established movements and already seeing MTGOW as a movement as futile.

I have seen enough MGTOW videos, Sandman and beyond, that I know there is a school of thought that is interested in what MGTOW is or is not.  This comes up with you have a man who is not going to get married again, who is of a certain religious faith, being told that what he is not doing is valid.  There are some who elevate MGTOW to an ideological system.  It happens.  I am not going to diminish men doing this with MGTOW, as it helps lend to the discussion.  But, I will question their judging of other men.  With them, unless a man is building everything on his own, and his own way doesn’t have influence by others.  You see with this type of mind, you have Sandman having Ayn Rand as a “God Among MGTOW”:

This entire process is part of a man trying to reclaim his identity in the world.  It happens.