So we were discussing the horrible events that happened in Ottawa a few weeks ago (for the unfamiliar, a crazed gunman opened fire on the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier and parliament, killing one of the ceremonial guards). I brought up that this incident proved what we all knew for a long time: the only thing that can stop an armed bad guy is an armed good guy. I said I’m glad that I personally am defense minded and that were something to happen to me, I’d be ready to defend myself. Of all things, my grandmother says she doesn’t agree with a single thing I said.

“What?” I said. “You don’t agree with self defense or self preservation? You don’t agree with me refusing to become a victim or a statistic?”

She said, “Well, I’m in my 80s and I’ve never been a victim. No one ever assaulted me, and I never raised my hand to anyone.

Now I’ve heard this argument before from people, and I hate it. It’s professional victim mentality, because you assume that just because something hasn’t happened to YOU (yet) that it won’t ever happen to anyone else ever. I brought up the fact that a woman was stabbed at a bus stop in her old neighbourhood, and she just dismissed it (I see people do this too, major cognitive bias). Like Keymaster says, you don’t have to have ever been in a car accident to drive with your lights on, shoulder check before merging and check your mirrors.

Anyway, she listens to this and then for some reason says I sound fascist (“That’s fascist” being the “that’s misogynist” of her generation). Funny, as she was saying that we have a police force for all the reasons I take precautions. I’m pretty sure “let the big, powerful government take care of me and tell me what to do” is what fascism actually means.

Anyway, she repeated that she didn’t agree and asked me to stop talking. I asked her why. I said that I’d like to her her reasons for disagreeing with me and we can have a discussion. She just repeats the “I don’t agree. Stop,” ad nauseum. This goes on until I pull out a gem I read here on the forums: “If someone tells you to flat out shut up, you’re probably right.”

She then says that she was expecting a “good” phone call from me. Asked why I never asked about her (I did, at the beginning) or my parents (I spoke to them two days ago). More than a little irate, I said “Sorry the world doesn’t exist to make you happy.” She said “I always had my family. That’s what makes me happy.” I replied, “I don’t rely on others for happiness. I make my own.” She then gave me the old, “Whatever. Goodbye.” and hung up. I was a little upset as this is my grandmother and I love her to death, but this sort of thing just illistrates for me how women are when engaged in a debate that challenged what they believe.

Your thoughts, lads?

how women are when engaged in a debate that challenged what they believe.

Its not just women, mate. All sheep do that when their values and beliefs are challenged. I know it very well and have seen it in people of all types.
One thing I’ve noticed among the crowd here at MTGOW is that every single one of them is a critical thinker. One who is able to look at things and actually think about the whys and hows rather than to accept them at face value.
Some take the red pill and then become a critical thinker as they look at everything around them, others are already critical thinkers and can see the world for what it is.
Dont give her that ‘good’ phone call, let her know that this is YOU and who you choose to be. Dont give her that control over you that allows her to dictate your behaviours and guilt-trip you just for speaking your mind

You’ll find yourself running into that sort of thing where ever you go now.

This sort of crap is everywhere.

If you want to keep a good relationship, best thing to do is to never bring up any topic that is remotely related to politics.
Find someone else to talk with about those issues.

If you want to keep your sanity and avoid countless hours of wasted time arguing with feminists and manginas, than you should come up with your own way to handle them.
I personally just call them on their s~~~ and end the conversations if they don’t accept or acknowledge it.
Keeps me from wasting my time 🙂

The way you help your ground was perfect. Never battle ignorance with loud voices or ignorance itself but with cold hard logic. You will not change the persons mind but remember this scene from one of my favorite movies Thank you for Smoking.

Sometimes it is not about you but those who will hear the conversation that are more important. This movie greatly increased my debate skills, and I would highly recommend it.

Honestly man, since I took my red pill, I’ve been walking around like the guy after he put the special glasses on in “They Live”.

Thats’ AWESOME. Every MGHOW knows exactly what you mean. Not only does your vision improve, but when women speak, my ears perk up like Jack Nicholson in “Wolf” and I can hear s~~~ I never heard before either. It was always there, but now I understand every word even better then THEY do.

Everything from “I want a nice/normal guy is that too much to ask” to “you need to learn how to respect women” is totally transparent bulls~~~ now. Even INSULTS are f~~~ing compliments.

• “you’re an asshole”.
(thats’ when I know sex will happen within minutes)

• “I have a stalker” because some guy SMILED at her or looked at her public Facebook photos which she wanted to broadcast.
(only famous people and celebrities have stalkers. And you’re neither, honey.)

• “You hate women!”
(Oh yeah? Well YOU HATE PIZZA! See how f~~~ing retarded you sound?)

• “Look at my ring!”.. or…..”my wedding is in 6 weeks”
(“MY”? don’t you mean OUR wedding? And pS that’s not YOUR ring. It’s a ring he bought you with his after-tax savings and thousands of hours of labour. It’s HIS ring and you are only permitted to wear it.)

Gosh I could go on…..

<cite>@hammerdown said:</cite>
Honestly, in the last year, having moved out and living on my own terms, I found my bulls~~~ tolerance has shot right down. I don’t think it’s a coincidence I discovered MGTOW around the same time.

Give it time my friend. If I get approached, I’m usually telling women ‘good day’ after about 2 sentence.

<cite>@raybandaku said:</cite>
I reached the end.  I am done with women, unless it’s work related(I will keep to minimum).  I don’t have it in me to speak to women or deal with their nature.  If I have to I will pay for sex but that’s it.  I am done forever with these creatures.  I have lost all hope when it comes women changing their ways.  Women can not change, it’s impossible.

I’m 100% with ray. Well said sir.